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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Obama is not King. And we see this everywhere from health care to taxes to the economy. Only an idiot thinks he's king. The court ruled here.
    Niether the court nor congress said to make the current federal immigration law more "dreamy", but the king sure did. The court didn't say stop federal DHS/ICE cooperation with AZ, but the king sure did. ;-)
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, that's not what it means at all. The decision is restricted to the area of immigration which is specifically reserved to the federal government in the Constitution.
    Nothing is ever restricted to anything when considering precedent. If the states can no longer exercise the most fundamental aspect of sovereignty, said sovereignty ceases to exist.

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Nothing is ever restricted to anything when considering precedent. If the states can no longer exercise the most fundamental aspect of sovereignty, said sovereignty ceases to exist.
    Erm, not really.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Reasonable suspicion is only employed after someone is stopped for something else (expired registration, domestic abuse complaint, running a stop sign etc).
    Exactly. The libs on this board act like police officers pull people over just because they're black or hispanic.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Niether the court nor congress said to make the current federal immigration law more "dreamy", but the king sure did. The court didn't say stop federal DHS/ICE cooperation with AZ, but the king sure did. ;-)
    Dreamy? Be more specific. Yes, he signed his first executive order, but that's a different issue. And he has a long way to go before he catches up with other presidents. So, calling him king based on that is quite laughable.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Nothing is ever restricted to anything when considering precedent. If the states can no longer exercise the most fundamental aspect of sovereignty, said sovereignty ceases to exist.
    Justice Scalia remarks:
    As is often the case, discussion of the dry legalities that are the proper object of our attention suppresses the very human realities that gave rise to the suit. Arizona bears the brunt of the country’s illegal immigration problem. Its citizens feel themselves under siege by large numbers of illegal immigrants who invade their property, strain their social services, and even place their lives in jeopardy. Federal officials have been unable to remedy the problem, and indeed have recently shown that they are unwilling to do so. Thousands of Arizona’s estimated 400,000 illegal immigrants—including not just children but men and women under 30—are now assured immunity from enforcement, and will be able to compete openly with Arizona citizens for employment.
    Arizona has moved to protect its sovereignty—not in contradiction of federal law, but in complete compliance with it. The laws under challenge here do not extend or revise federal immigration restrictions, but merely enforce those restrictions more effectively. If securing its territory in this fashion is not within the power of Arizona, we should cease referring to it as a sovereign State. I dissent.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Dreamy? Be more specific. Yes, he signed his first executive order, but that's a different issue. And he has a long way to go before he catches up with other presidents. So, calling him king based on that is quite laughable.
    His first E.O. was signed January 21, 2009 and related to Presidential records.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Redbeard View Post
    His first E.O. was signed January 21, 2009 and related to Presidential records.
    You are correct that it wasn't the first, but his number is considerably lower than Bush's. In fact, in the moderen era, so far, his number is the lowest. GHW Bush had some 160 and Bush jr nearly 300. I think Roosevelt leads the field, but he had more time in office. Reagan was no slouch either. So, I guess we've been under dictators for a long time. I mean if we want to accept that poor and hyperbolic reasoning put forth by Fox and allies in poor thinking.

    BTW, you're not a birther are you?

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You are correct that it wasn't the first, but his number is considerably lower than Bush's. In fact, in the moderen era, so far, his number is the lowest. GHW Bush had some 160 and Bush jr nearly 300. I think Roosevelt leads the field, but he had more time in office. Reagan was no slouch either. So, I guess we've been under dictators for a long time. I mean if we want to accept that poor and hyperbolic reasoning put forth by Fox and allies in poor thinking.

    BTW, you're not a birther are you?
    You are correct. Believe 127 to date.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    At least police can still verify the legal status of those they pull over for traffic offense.Hopefully Arizona goes back to the drawing board for other ideas on cracking down on illegal immigration. I would like to see these ideas implemented.

    1.Mandate E-verify.

    2.Make those who hire illegals subject to the same laws that drug dealers,mobsters and other criminals who profit from and or use their money for illegals activities are subject to. That means subject to assets seizure and fortifier and prison time.

    3.Make those who have been convicted of hiring illegals permanently loose business licenses and for a certain period of time be barred from getting a business license.

    4.Require that in order to get and renew a state issued ID or state issued driver's license or federal government ID(military ID for example) one needs to present a birth certificate(or certificate of naturalization) and SS card.

    6.Require that in order to enroll and re-enroll children into school the parents must present a state issued ID or driver's license. The parent must also present birth certificates and ss cards to enroll their kids into school. Schools failing to do this shall be fined and the appropriate people fired and or face possible jail or prison time.

    7.Require banks,check cashing services and money wiring services to verify that the customer has a state issued ID or driver's license.

    8.Require that in order to apply for welfare,food stamps, section 8 housing, tax payer funded education grants/aid, or any form of tax payer funded aid you must present a state issued ID or driver's license.

    9.Require that in order to get a business license, food handlers permit,fishing and hunting permit or any other tax payer funded service you must present a state issued ID or driver's license.

    10.Require that in order to buy,lease,sell,give or borrow a car both parties must state issued driver's license.

    11.Require that in order to rent,sell,buy,give or borrow property/housing both parties much present a state issued ID or driver license.

    12.Require police to verify the legal status of anyone they pull over.If they can spend a few seconds of minutes to check if someone has warrants then they can most definitely check to see if someone is here legally.

    13.Require that those who deliberately aid illegals shall be fined and or thrown into prison,unless they are aiding in returning an illegal to the border.
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