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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Easy solution... massive fines on business and revoking of business permits for 2nd time offenders of having illegals. If no one is hiring, no one will come illegally.
    I'd even give an illegal citizenship if he set up the sting. Confiscate the business property for 1st offense and sell it only to native born, which will increase government revenue too. Otherwise, as in 1776, we must take the law back into our own hands. The next amnesty should be for vigilantes who solve this problem the old-fashioned way. Laws are just substitutes for citizen enforcement. We must teach the government traitors a lesson they'll never forget.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    This also means that states need to release all of the murderers, rapists and other criminals who were convicted in state courts rather than federal courts because this decision by SCOTUS means every state law that mirrors federal law is preempted by federal law and as such, these criminals must either be tried and convicted in federal courts or released by the states that convicted them.

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    This also means that states need to release all of the murderers, rapists and other criminals who were convicted in state courts rather than federal courts because this decision by SCOTUS means every state law that mirrors federal law is preempted by federal law and as such, these criminals must either be tried and convicted in federal courts or released by the states that convicted them.
    Those laws have not been made federal concerns via judicial activism like immigration has been.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Those laws have not been made federal concerns via judicial activism like immigration has been.
    It doesn’t matter. If there is a federal law on the books, there can be no identical state laws because that is preemption by the states of federal law.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    It doesn’t matter. If there is a federal law on the books, there can be no identical state laws because that is preemption by the states of federal law.
    The jurisdiction of those federal laws is very important to the matter of preemption.

    Don't get me wrong, I whole heartedly disagree with this ruling (despite the fact that I would vehemently oppose a law like Arizona's being passed in Illinois), but I also find much Scalia's dissenting opinion to be pure nonsense as well because it fails to address the larger issue of hwo the federal authority over immigration was a product of judicial activism. In fact, the hypocrite supports that judicial activism in his opinion.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    This also means that states need to release all of the murderers, rapists and other criminals who were convicted in state courts rather than federal courts because this decision by SCOTUS means every state law that mirrors federal law is preempted by federal law and as such, these criminals must either be tried and convicted in federal courts or released by the states that convicted them.
    No, that's not what it means at all. The decision is restricted to the area of immigration which is specifically reserved to the federal government in the Constitution.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    Drugs are covered by Federal law. So should the cities and states get out of drug enforcement and let the DEA handle it all?
    You know, that's a great suggestion for Arizona to send a bit of the feds' treatment back to them - no drug smuggling help. Don't house or help the DEA in any fashion. No backup from local and state LEOs. The state LEOs will still enforce state and local drug laws, but will no longer enforce, house or help federal drug enforcement. Quid pro quo.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You know, that's a great suggestion for Arizona to send a bit of the feds' treatment back to them - no drug smuggling help. Don't house or help the DEA in any fashion. No backup from local and state LEOs. The state LEOs will still enforce state and local drug laws, but will no longer enforce, house or help federal drug enforcement. Quid pro quo.
    Yeah, that would really be in their self interest.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You know, that's a great suggestion for Arizona to send a bit of the feds' treatment back to them - no drug smuggling help. Don't house or help the DEA in any fashion. No backup from local and state LEOs. The state LEOs will still enforce state and local drug laws, but will no longer enforce, house or help federal drug enforcement. Quid pro quo.
    Not a good strategy, IMHO, since AZ gets lots of federal aid. I think a better approach is to team up with other "red" states and organize a much larger effort to assert state's rights; perhaps by placing toll booths on all interstates, located as to place the back up in the neighboring "blue" states and waiving through (for free) all vehicles with "friendly" state's plates, just to show Obama, and friends, what "selective law enforcement" can feel like. ;-)
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, that's not what it means at all. The decision is restricted to the area of immigration which is specifically reserved to the federal government in the Constitution.
    But states can play the selective law enforcement game too, just ticket all "blue" state tagged cars a bit more rigorously. ;-)
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