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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by majora$$hole View Post
    yeah but it would only happen once and some companies can pay a steep fine no prob.
    I doubt that very much. Saving $5/hour by using illegal alien labor is not worth $100K fine for each such employee found. Many companies, like Walmart, have several stores that hire independently. What if a business (or public school) had hired an illegal alien to mow their grass, would you shut that place down?
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Actually, I'm all for having illegal immigrants working freely in the US and without criminal liability. It'll teach the anti-union American populace a thing or two about how the free market operates. Hopefully, it'll be a wake up call to 89% of the working force that the danger is not in unions - but those seeking to destroy them and hand us over to the corporatist Plutocracy.




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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    So if local law enforcement can't enforce immigration laws, does that mean they can't enforce any federal laws?
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I doubt that very much. Saving $5/hour by using illegal alien labor is not worth $100K fine for each such employee found. Many companies, like Walmart, have several stores that hire independently. What if a business (or public school) had hired an illegal alien to mow their grass, would you shut that place down?
    if they knowingly break the law then yes i say they should be shut down like i said it would only happen once the next employer would make sure.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Since states are no longer sovereign, I guess they can’t ask if I have any produce in my car when I cross state lines anymore either can they?

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I love Brewer's commentary on this. You create a law of 4 parts and 3 of them are struck down and you still consider it a "victory". No wonder most of the South has abysmal education rates. If 1/4 provisions is a "victory" - we may as well start calling F a passing grade.
    Actually the bill had more than 4 parts. It was just the 4 parts the SCOTUS was hearing. Some others were already struck down/upheld by lower courts. I'll have to look back, but there were provisions for increasing fines on businesses who hired illegals and a few others.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I dunno, can he talk civilized? All I hear from him is attack the hispanics and make it hard for them.. legal or not, to live in the US. The problem is not that there are illegals ... because there will ALWAYS be illegals. The problem is that the illegals have a chance of a job.. a very good chance at that.. and no one is doing anything about it.. not even Sheriff Joe and his nazi methods.
    Maybe if you walked in his shoes, instead of sitting comfy over in Spain with no Mexican sneaking across your border. Have you listen to any of the land owners along the southern border of Arizona. Their land is getting destoyed by these people crossing everywhere. But when you dislike Americans, it's easy to think of everything they do as Nazi methods. As far as I know, there are no concentration camps down there with gas chambers or ovens.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Interesting, wonder if the plan is to work it from a state level down to an individual level. You don't have the right to protect yourself....
    Well, don't know if I'd go there yet, but the fed is stifling Arizona's ability to protect itself while being negligent in its own duties.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The answer to your question is in regards to the reason it was struct down. Not based on the individual merit of the individual laws but over the fact that it was the state presumedly making law that interfered or attempted to subvert federal claim over the issue.
    Drugs are covered by Federal law. So should the cities and states get out of drug enforcement and let the DEA handle it all?
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Well, don't know if I'd go there yet, but the fed is stifling Arizona's ability to protect itself while being negligent in its own duties.
    Yeah, why won't Obama protect Arizona? Oh wait a minute....

    According to the most recent year-end reports from Customs and Border Protection, Border Patrol apprehensions fell to 340,252 in 2011 -- a 53 percent drop since 2008, when nearly 724,000 border-crossers were nabbed.

    At the same time, the number of border agents hit a high of 21,444, according to CBP. Most agents -- 18,500 -- now are on the Southwest border. There were about 10,000 agents total in 2004.

    Even with fewer targets, patrols in the Southwest dramatically boosted the amounts of drugs, guns and cash seized over the last three years compared to 2006 through 2008. Seventy-four percent more money, 41 percent more drugs, and 159 percent more weapons, according to the Department of Homeland Security.

    And, in spite of the crime allegations, DHS said that according to 2010 FBI reports, violent crimes in the Southwest border states dropped by an average of 40 percent in the last two decades. Since 2008, crime rates have fallen in each Arizona, California, New Mexico, and Texas.

    Part of the reason for that progress is funding for border security, which Congress has consistently boosted, most recently in 2010, passing a bill by Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) that sent $600 million to border enforcement.

    Another factor driving down illegal immigration is the poor economy. Migration from Mexico has recently reversed, with more Mexican immigrants leaving the United States. Record deportations under Obama, whose administration shipped nearly 400,000 undocumented immigrants out of the country last year including many with criminal records, also is a factor.

    Arizona Immigration Law: GOP Criticisms Disputed By Data Saying Crime, Border Crossings Have Dropped
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