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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I don't need to save face, you cheap provacateur. Sorry if the distinction between "South" and "Southwest" is too fine for you, but thanks for demonstrating your own limited understanding. Worry about splitting hairs after you're able to distinguish between various heads of hair.
    Hahaha - awww I get it - somebody is mad cause the overwhelming majority of their little law didn't pass constitutional muster. I get it - it's a rough day for you and your kind. Maybe next time you'll have better luck. Try a law banning gay marriage. Those have had some success. If that doesn't work you can always blame your personal failures on the government. That never goes out of style.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Hahaha - awww I get it - somebody is mad cause the overwhelming majority of their little law didn't pass constitutional muster. I get it - it's a rough day for you and your kind. Maybe next time you'll have better luck. Try a law banning gay marriage. Those have had some success. If that doesn't work you can always blame your personal failures on the government. That never goes out of style.
    Knowing your geography doesn't either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Knowing your geography doesn't either.
    I guess it's better than a sore loser like Jan Brewer and those who supported her.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Ok, just got home and skimmed through this thread, and while watching the ever disingenuous Chrissy Hissy fit Matthews misrepresent the provision upheld, and through implication throws the race card like it is the only one in the deck.

    This President continues to ignore the problems with immigration, as do my own side in favor of trying to pander constantly. Now Obama effectively says that the AZ police can call ICE, but no one will respond? How in God's name are we allowing this usurper of power he doesn't have, and ignoring the Constitution to remain without people going absolutely Bat ---- crazy?

    God help us in this country if this President, or these progressives retain power after Nov.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    No, it doesn't. The key is "reasonable suspicion" - and how is reasonable suspicion defined? It could be anything the law enforcer suggests.
    Reasonable suspicion is only employed after someone is stopped for something else (expired registration, domestic abuse complaint, running a stop sign etc).

    This is copied directly from the SCOTUS decision:
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    Section 2(B)
    Section 2(B) of S. B. 1070 requires state officers to make a “reasonable attempt . . . to determine the immigration status” of any person they stop, detain, or arrest on some other legitimate basis if “reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien and is unlawfully present in the United States.”
    So is this:
    Second, officers “may not consider race, color or national origin . . . except to the extent permitted by the United States [and] Arizona
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    Looks like SCOTUS disagrees with your interpretation of their decision doesn’t it? There it is, in their words, straight from their website.

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Only because it has not been implemented yet, and because SCOTUS was uncertain about what it meant and how it would be enforced.
    The SCOTUS is already propped to throw that one out also, when AZ implements it, based on their comment regarding it.

    "The nature and timing of this case counsel caution in evaluating the validity of [Section] 2(B)," wrote Justice Anthony Kennedy on behalf of Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer and Sonia Sotomayor, noting that the law has not yet gone into effect. Because "[t]here is a basic uncertainty about what the law means and how it will be enforced," the majority chose to allow the law to go forward, but made clear that "[t]his opinion does not foreclose other preemption and constitutional challenges to the law as interpreted and applied after it goes into effect."

    Arizona Immigration Law Ruling: Supreme Court Delivers Split Decision
    SCOTUS wasn’t referring to the reason for the stop with this quote; it was referring to questions about whether law enforcement is required to hold someone they suspect to be an illegal immigrant, how long they were being held simply for verification purposes etc. and basically said that they weren’t going to rule on it now because the enforcement of the law may or may not preempt federal law, depending upon how the law is enforced and how the lower courts rule on the lawsuits that are certain to follow if someone is stopped for jaywalking and held for an unreasonable time.

    The court made the right call on this one.

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Hahaha - awww I get it - somebody is mad cause the overwhelming majority of their little law didn't pass constitutional muster. I get it - it's a rough day for you and your kind. Maybe next time you'll have better luck. Try a law banning gay marriage. Those have had some success. If that doesn't work you can always blame your personal failures on the government. That never goes out of style.
    There's always the dictatorship option.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Well, not geographically. But I'd say they have far more in common culturally and politically with the old south than they do with any other part of the country.
    Actually there's very little to cultural or linguistic differences between any of the 50 states. The big cultural/linguistic/political divide is actually between the inner city (of every city in America), and everyone else.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I love Brewer's commentary on this. You create a law of 4 parts and 3 of them are struck down and you still consider it a "victory". No wonder most of the South has abysmal education rates. If 1/4 provisions is a "victory" - we may as well start calling F a passing grade.
    She (R) is happy because this is what the Globalist Republicans who want cheap foreign labor have really wanted the entire time. They can now go to the voters and say, "See it's the Democrats who are hindering us."

    Of course lefties like you play the same partisan game on the other side, but it's still the same partisan game that puts out exactly the same results, with the same people benefiting. Useful idiots, all of you.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Of course it's not profiling. You're fishing, you need to have a license.

    My Hispanic looking relatives could be doing anything, walking or driving down a street for instance, and be stopped and harassed for merely being suspected of being illegal. As a white person, I don't have to worry about that. That's profiling.

    A real world example: My blue-eyed, blonde haired relative is married to an American born woman of Mexican heritage. They have two children. One is blue-eyed and white, the other is brown eyed and brunette. He could be out with his daughter and have no worries. She could be out with their son and potentially be stopped. They live in Arizona, so my concerns are very real, this could effect her and their child.
    Yes your concerns are real, and commendable; but we have to solve a problem that's been going on too long. We can't just keep kicking this can down the road. The immigration laws need to be enforced.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    She (R) is happy because this is what the Globalist Republicans who want cheap foreign labor have really wanted the entire time. They can now go to the voters and say, "See it's the Democrats who are hindering us."

    Of course lefties like you play the same partisan game on the other side, but it's still the same partisan game that puts out exactly the same results, with the same people benefiting. Useful idiots, all of you.
    Actually, I'm all for having illegal immigrants working freely in the US and without criminal liability. It'll teach the anti-union American populace a thing or two about how the free market operates. Hopefully, it'll be a wake up call to 89% of the working force that the danger is not in unions - but those seeking to destroy them and hand us over to the corporatist Plutocracy.
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