Page 14 of 60 FirstFirst ... 4121314151624 ... LastLast
Results 131 to 140 of 593

Thread: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

  1. #131
    Sage
    AdamT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Last Seen
    02-13-13 @ 04:09 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    17,773

    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, but I see in searching that the conservative bias sites are the first to publish this story. Here's Governor Brewer's statement confirming the Obama admin has indeed taken this action. I know, it's FoxNation, but are you really going to try to float that FN made up an entire official statement by the Governor of Arizona? Silly me, of course you'll try.
    I don't doubt that the quotes are accurate ... But I do doubt that Brewer is telling the truth.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    -- Adam Smith

  2. #132
    Sage
    Somerville's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    On an island. Not that one!
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:13 PM
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    9,843

    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Here ya go


    Heavily biased site, but it was the first to come up on a search. I initially saw it from the Washington Tribune on googlenews.

    Start impeaching the bastard now.
    Yeah, I'll agree that HotAir is a "Heavily biased site", a bit more balanced report may be found here
    According to the Department of Homeland Security, DHS officials in Arizona have been directed not to respond to the scene of a state or local traffic stop or a similar law enforcement encounter upon the requests from state and local police officers for assistance in enforcing immigration laws unless the individual meets DHS enforcement priorities - is a convicted criminal, has been removed from the US previously and reentered unlawfully or is a recent border crosser. DHS will continue to telephonically comply with its legal requirement to verify an individual's immigration status upon request.
    ďAnd I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.Ē
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

  3. #133
    Guru
    GPS_Flex's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    California
    Last Seen
    02-11-17 @ 11:58 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    2,719

    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Of course it's not profiling. You're fishing, you need to have a license.

    My Hispanic looking relatives could be doing anything, walking or driving down a street for instance, and be stopped and harassed for merely being suspected of being illegal. As a white person, I don't have to worry about that. That's profiling.

    A real world example: My blue-eyed, blonde haired relative is married to an American born woman of Mexican heritage. They have two children. One is blue-eyed and white, the other is brown eyed and brunette. He could be out with his daughter and have no worries. She could be out with their son and potentially be stopped. They live in Arizona, so my concerns are very real, this could effect her and their child.
    Again, your claims are false. I know everyone refers to SB 1070 but that was amended almost immediately, by HB 2162 (LINK) with red font indicating what was removed and blue font indicating what replaced it, as follows:


    Sec. 3. Section 11‑1051, Arizona Revised
    Statutes, as added by Senate Bill 1070, section 2, forty-ninth legislature,
    second regular session, as transmitted to the governor, is amended to read:

    START_STATUTE11-1051. Cooperation and assistance in enforcement of immigration
    laws; indemnification


    A. No official or agency of this state or a
    county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may limit or
    restrict the enforcement of federal immigration laws to less than the full
    extent permitted by federal law.

    B. For any lawful contact stop, detention or arrest
    made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of this state or
    a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of a county, city, town
    or other political subdivision of this state in the
    enforcement of any other law or ordinance of a county, city or town or this
    state
    where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an
    alien who and is unlawfully present
    in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to
    determine the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may
    hinder or obstruct an investigation. Any person who is arrested shall have the
    person's immigration status determined before the person is released. The
    person's immigration status shall be verified with the federal government
    pursuant to 8 United States code section 1373(c). A law enforcement official or
    agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of
    this state may not solely consider race, color or national origin
    in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent
    permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution. A person is presumed to
    not be an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States if the person
    provides to the law enforcement officer or agency any of the following:

    1. A valid Arizona driver license.

    2. A valid Arizona nonoperating
    identification license.

    3. A valid tribal enrollment card or other
    form of tribal identification.

    4. If the entity requires proof of legal
    presence in the United States before issuance, any valid United States federal,
    state or local government issued identification.

    "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."
    John F. Kennedy
    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

  4. #134
    Sage
    clownboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Oregon
    Last Seen
    08-17-16 @ 10:31 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    26,087

    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Yeah, I'll agree that HotAir is a "Heavily biased site", a bit more balanced report may be found here
    That's funny, while some here doubt Governor Brewer is telling the truth, I know Napalitano is lying through her teeth (from your link):

    Over the past three and half years, this Administration has dedicated unprecedented resources to secure the border and to enforcing our nation's immigration laws in a firm and reasonable fashion.
    Absolute rubbish. I see it every day where I live and the absolute incompetence of this administration can be seen by anyone with eyes. National Geoographic does a show called Border Wars. Check it out for yourself - every episode puts the lie to Janet's BS.

  5. #135
    Tavern Bartender
    Constitutionalist
    American's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    12-15-17 @ 10:49 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    76,323

    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The SCOTUS just struck that portion of the AZ law, state sanctions on employers is OUT.
    The idea is that states don't have the right to protect themselves when the federal government won't.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

  6. #136
    Don't Mess With Texas
    mertex's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Last Seen
    10-14-14 @ 03:37 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    2,382

    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    Now I'm confused on one aspect of this legislation.

    Are the police able to stop anyone they suspect of being an illegal immigrant and force a citizen check, or can they only do that based on a traffic violation?
    No, they are not authorized to stop anyone simply based on immigration. They can only check on their immigration status if they stop them for a legit offense.



    "I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican friends... that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them."
    --Adlai Stevenson, Politician





  7. #137
    Don't Mess With Texas
    mertex's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Last Seen
    10-14-14 @ 03:37 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    2,382

    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The idea is that states don't have the right to protect themselves when the federal government won't.
    But the Federal government is protecting them, AZ just wanted to take control of it, not even realizing how difficult it was going to make it for its own state if the SCOTUS had actually upheld their version of the law.



    "I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican friends... that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them."
    --Adlai Stevenson, Politician





  8. #138
    Don't Mess With Texas
    mertex's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Last Seen
    10-14-14 @ 03:37 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    2,382

    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Again, your claims are false. I know everyone refers to SB 1070 but that was amended almost immediately, by HB 2162 (LINK) with red font indicating what was removed and blue font indicating what replaced it, as follows:
    From your source:

    where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an
    alien who and is unlawfully present


    Looks to me that it was giving law enforcement latitude to claim "reasonable suspicion" and stop anyone they wanted anytime they wanted. SCOTUS says you cannot do that.
    Last edited by mertex; 06-26-12 at 12:55 AM.



    "I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican friends... that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them."
    --Adlai Stevenson, Politician





  9. #139
    Sage
    teamosil's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    San Francisco
    Last Seen
    05-22-14 @ 12:47 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    6,623

    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    I imagine that most folks in the south are glad in retrospect that the federal government stepped in and put a stop to the jim crow stuff. At the time they were furious, but as times moved on, I think most of them came to see that what they were doing had been wrong and needed to change. I'd wager that in a decade or so Arizonans will feel the same way about the federal government's stance against racial profiling. Sometimes when you're in the heat of things, particularly a major demographic change like Arizona is going through, it isn't easy to see things clearly. People that are a bit more removed from the situation can see things that you can't. How many people in the jim crow south really did sincerely believe that there was an epidemic of black men raping white women and that the jim crow laws were just a sensible self defense regime? A lot. But once things had passed they saw things more clearly and realized that what they had been doing was wrong. Ultimately that is why civil rights are dealt with at the federal level instead of the state level and it has proven to be a wise policy time and again. This one won't be any exception.
    Last edited by teamosil; 06-26-12 at 12:41 AM.
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

  10. #140
    Guru
    GPS_Flex's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    California
    Last Seen
    02-11-17 @ 11:58 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    2,719

    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    From your source:

    where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an
    alien who and is unlawfully present


    Looks to me that it was given law enforcement latitude to claim "reasonable suspicion" and stop anyone they wanted anytime they wanted. SCOTUS says you cannot do that.
    Obviously you arenít very adept at reading legal documents if you make such conclusions. From the source:

    in the
    enforcement of any other law or ordinance of a county, city or town or this
    state
    where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an
    alien who and is unlawfully present
    in the United States
    See how the sentence in blue, the one you left out, changes everything?

    From the source:
    For any lawful contact stop, detention or arrest
    made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency
    By the way, this is the part of the law SCOTUS left standing.

    "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."
    John F. Kennedy
    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

Page 14 of 60 FirstFirst ... 4121314151624 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •