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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Might I suggest you find some new sources for news because rather obviously you haven't noted that the present Administration has detained and deported more illegal immigrants than any previous Administration.
    Uh, never said they didn't. But even at the level that this administration used to deport people, how many millions do we still have 'in-country'? Yeah, see, it's the fed's not doing their job. Nothing political about it.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Obviously we have rather different opinions about whether or not the President has been doing his job.

    Would you care to provide some citations to support your claim that the DoJ has "said that they'll no longer take Arizona's phone calls, for queries or for deportation holds."?

    Here ya go
    The Obama administration said Monday it is suspending existing agreements with Arizona police over enforcement of federal immigration laws, and said it has issued a directive telling federal authorities to decline many of the calls reporting illegal immigrants that the Homeland Security Department may get from Arizona police.
    Heavily biased site, but it was the first to come up on a search. I initially saw it from the Washington Tribune on googlenews.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Then why would a state like Arizona feel the need for such a law? Could be because the Federal efforts are insufficient to protect the state internally?
    Ding ding ding! We have a winner.

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    or could it be a political move by an opposition party in its efforts to make the President look bad?
    Nope, see the quote above yours. It seems you want to make it all political, but it's not.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    THIS is a nonsensical statement of belief unsupported by reality.

    ON the section of the AZ law that was upheld by the Supreme Court, the "papers please" bit - there is one major aspect that I don't see mentioned here. The AZ police are no longer allowed to detain someone without prior federal approval of such detention.

    Also, nobody has mentioned the fact that Native Americans have also been stopped and questioned under this AZ law - are they also "illegals" or do they just look like they are?
    They could stop white people too, couldn't they? What type of immigration reform do you support, amnesty? How about open borders where anyone can do anything they want? Maybe you'd like to get rid of the border altogether. Would that work for you? You're the guy that implied this country could do much better than our constitution because of all the sufferings people have to endure due to circumstances outside their control. Why those poor people, and the poor poor Mexicans who sneak over the border; what's wrong with us just giving them a living, right? Have you ever suggested that Mexico do better?
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Here ya go


    Heavily biased site, but it was the first to come up on a search. I initially saw it from the Washington Tribune on googlenews.

    Start impeaching the bastard now.
    You mean the Washington Times, which is like 100 times more biased than hotair. Just FYI.

    If you haven't seen it on a legit news source, you don't really know anything yet. Not to say the administration didn't say something, but just because ultra right wing hacks with zero credibility for accuracy describe it that way tells you nothing whatsoever.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    If they legitimately stop someone for doing something suspicious, they don't need this law.

    This law says the police can stop them merely for suspecting they are in the country illegally.
    That isn’t what the Arizona law says at all. The Arizona law that SCOTUS ruled on says that people can’t be detained to check legality, it is only after they have been detained for violating another law that the question of legal status can be asked.

    Obviously there will be those who get pulled over for having a broken taillight and are asked for papers who will claim they were pulled over for “driving Latino” rather than for the broken taillight, and this is what SCOTUS left open for future challenges.

    If the AZ law had allowed law enforcement to pull people over just to ask for their papers, it would have been overturned unanimously.

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    Stopping education aid does nothing about the job magnet. Yanking employer licenses would.
    The SCOTUS just struck that portion of the AZ law, state sanctions on employers is OUT.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    You mean the Washington Times, which is like 100 times more biased than hotair. Just FYI.

    If you haven't seen it on a legit news source, you don't really know anything yet. Not to say the administration didn't say something, but just because ultra right wing hacks with zero credibility for accuracy describe it that way tells you nothing whatsoever.
    It has been on several TV news broadcasts as well. I predicted this in post #93 above. King Barrack has so ruled, thus it is law, or rather no longer the law, as the king now dictates what federal laws HIS federal LEOs will and will not enforce. Yes he did!
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    You mean the Washington Times, which is like 100 times more biased than hotair. Just FYI.

    If you haven't seen it on a legit news source, you don't really know anything yet. Not to say the administration didn't say something, but just because ultra right wing hacks with zero credibility for accuracy describe it that way tells you nothing whatsoever.
    No, but I see in searching that the conservative bias sites are the first to publish this story. Here's Governor Brewer's statement confirming the Obama admin has indeed taken this action. I know, it's FoxNation, but are you really going to try to float that FN made up an entire official statement by the Governor of Arizona? Silly me, of course you'll try.

    Statement by Governor Jan Brewer

    President Obama Once Again Abandons Citizens of Arizona

    “As though we needed any more evidence, President Obama has demonstrated anew his utter disregard for the safety and security of the Arizona people. Within the last two hours, I have been notified the Obama administration has revoked the 287(g) agreement under the authority of which Arizona law enforcement officers have partnered with the federal government in the enforcement of immigration law.

    “Of course, it is no coincidence that this announcement comes immediately on the heels of the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling upholding the constitutionality of the heart of Arizona’s anti-illegal immigration law: SB 1070. It’s worth noting that 68 law enforcement entities in 24 states have functioning 287(g) agreements with the federal government. But it appears the only agreements eliminated today were those in Arizona, the state that happens to be on the front lines of America’s fight against illegal immigration. We are on our own, apparently.

    “I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised. The Obama administration has fought the people of Arizona at every turn – downplaying the threat that a porous border poses to our citizens, filing suit in order to block our State from protecting itself, unilaterally granting immunity to tens of thousands of illegal aliens living in our midst, and now this. Still, the disarmament of Arizona’s 287(g) agreements is a new low, even for this administration.

    “Since 2006, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security credits the 287(g) program with identifying nearly 300,000 potentially-removable aliens nationwide. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has trained and certified more than 1,500 state and local officers to assist in the enforcement of immigration law, including many in Arizona. In fact, even as the President was wiping out Arizona’s 287(g) agreements, the ICE website itself continued to herald the collaborative approach of the 287(g) program, noting, ‘Terrorism and criminal activity are most effectively combated through a multi-agency/multi-authority approach that encompasses federal, state and local resources, skills and expertise.’

    “The President’s action should be of concern to all Americans. This fight is not over. President Obama may disregard Congress. He may target individual states like Arizona. He may generally act with impunity. But he is not above judgment – and the American people will have theirs very soon.”



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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    They could stop white people too, couldn't they? What type of immigration reform do you support, amnesty? How about open borders where anyone can do anything they want? Maybe you'd like to get rid of the border altogether. Would that work for you? You're the guy that implied this country could do much better than our constitution because of all the sufferings people have to endure due to circumstances outside their control. Why those poor people, and the poor poor Mexicans who sneak over the border; what's wrong with us just giving them a living, right? Have you ever suggested that Mexico do better?
    Look, I really don't think that it's racial profiling now, since Arizona still gets to ask for papers ON ARRESTS, and then report them to ICE if they can't prove who they are. However, I think Arizona cops should get to detain this guy without a warrant or probable cause, and I am really disappointed that today's SCOTUS ruling won't allow them to do it:

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