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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Would it be fair to guess that you don't live in a border state?
    Is Alabama a border state?

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    I'll have to review this when I get a chance, but I thought most of the AZ law was AZ doing the feds job because the feds wouldn't do it... If that is the case, perhaps it's time to send a case up the courts against the feds for negligence.
    Might I suggest you find some new sources for news because rather obviously you haven't noted that the present Administration has detained and deported more illegal immigrants than any previous Administration.

    The fact that under President Obama there has been stricter enforcement of immigration matters than during the times of earlier Presidents and yet we constantly hear the ranting and raving of those who claim the "Kenyan anti-colonialist is doing nothing!". Why weren't the same raving loons shouting about the illegals in the past?
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    I'll have to review this when I get a chance, but I thought most of the AZ law was AZ doing the feds job because the feds wouldn't do it... If that is the case, perhaps it's time to send a case up the courts against the feds for negligence.
    Too late, IMHO, AZ is much more dependent on the federal gov't than the federal gov't is on AZ. If SEVERAL states acted together on this, as they did against ObamaCare, THEN we would have a righteous battle on the SCOTUS steps. The FIRST step would be to band multiple states together and check the citizenship status in the schools, hospitals, welfare/SNAP offices and anything else now getting any FEDERAL tax money, and thus force the federal gov't get the SCOTUS involved in a hurry. It is very hard to call yourself a sovereign state with absolutely no control over the citizenship of who can live and work there.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Might I suggest you find some new sources for news because rather obviously you haven't noted that the present Administration has detained and deported more illegal immigrants than any previous Administration.

    The fact that under President Obama there has been stricter enforcement of immigration matters than during the times of earlier Presidents and yet we constantly hear the ranting and raving of those who claim the "Kenyan anti-colonialist is doing nothing!". Why weren't the same raving loons shouting about the illegals in the past?
    I certainly did under Bush, as he did basically NOTHING (on immigration enforcement) for 8 years. Texas GOV'T loves the illegals, they work hard, work cheap, don't ask for raises or benefits, will work in unsafe/unsanitary conditions and come with MASSIVE amounts of federal funding pumped directly into the Texas state treasury. Texas has NO state income tax but gets LOADS of sales tax revenue from these illegal alien folks. USA, USA, USA...
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Of course it's not profiling. You're fishing, you need to have a license.

    My Hispanic looking relatives could be doing anything, walking or driving down a street for instance, and be stopped and harassed for merely being suspected of being illegal. As a white person, I don't have to worry about that. That's profiling.

    A real world example: My blue-eyed, blonde haired relative is married to an American born woman of Mexican heritage. They have two children. One is blue-eyed and white, the other is brown eyed and brunette. He could be out with his daughter and have no worries. She could be out with their son and potentially be stopped. They live in Arizona, so my concerns are very real, this could effect her and their child.
    Then blame the illegals for making profiling accurate enough to qualify as an effective policy. Blaming fellow Americans instead is selfish. You are caught in a trap created by those who want to invade our country; be patriotic and make that sacrifice until the invaders are driven out and there is no longer a reason to profile.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Traitors, even technically before they lose their citizenship as a result, are effectively not "true Americans".
    False. In order to be traitors, they must be true Americans. If they weren't, they couldn't possibly be traitors.

    See, if someone isn't a true American, then they aren't traitors. the onus of loyalty to America stems from the fact that they are true Americans. If they were false Americans, they are incapable of being traitors.

    "True" Americanness is not a function of mere legal American-citizen status, but a function of behaving ethically toward all fellow American citizens.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    Then blame the illegals for making profiling accurate enough to qualify as an effective policy. Blaming fellow Americans instead is selfish. You are caught in a trap created by those who want to invade our country; be patriotic and make that sacrifice until the invaders are driven out and there is no longer a reason to profile.
    The problem, for some of us anyway. is that profiling seldom works as well as its advocates would like to claim. Street corner inquisition by a cop who has had a few hours of training will seldom provide accurate answers but such questioning is often used simply as a means of intimidation.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    oh, I thought that is what this...meant:

    The court rejected the parts of the law that making it a state crime for illegal immigrants not to possess their federal registration cards; for illegal imigrants to work, apply for work or solicit work; and a section that allowed state and local police to arrest illegal immigrants without a warrant when probable cause exists that they committed "any public offense that makes the person removable from the United States."
    The answer to your question is in regards to the reason it was struct down. Not based on the individual merit of the individual laws but over the fact that it was the state presumedly making law that interfered or attempted to subvert federal claim over the issue.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Bordering on retarded.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    They were right to do this. Federal law should overrule a state law so long as the Federal law doesn't trample on state's rights according to the Constitution.

    They need to do the same thing to the states that are trying to legalize marijuana.
    I wonder how many pro-illegals would be screaming that the states have a right to do legalize Marijuana?
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