Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

cmakaioz · Jun 28, 2012

StillBallin75 said:
No it's not. You could perhaps characterize it as ignorant or "head-in-the-sand." but just because someone has a problem with the concept of white privilege doesn't make them a white supremacist. You're engaging in serious hyperbole here.

Denial of the fact (not opinion) of white privilege is -- at minimum -- indication of complicity in white supremacism as a fact on the ground.

I completely get that the vast majority of "white" people do not ideologically endorse white supremacISM. However, white supremacy -- the empirically verifiable fact that people who are treated as "white" receive systematic privilege and live in a position of substantially better opportunities and unearned wealth and political power relative to nonwhite counterparts...IS INDEED logically the ethical responsibility of "white" people to overturn.

Robert Jensen articulated this best: as it is clearly not in the interest of nonwhite people to establish or to maintain white supremacy, the ongoing existence and operation of white supremacy must necessarily be due to either the active desires or the complicity of "white" people.

Most "white" people will readily tell you, if asked, that they don't personally want to maintain white supremacy...but such a question only deals with their intent. Despite genuine intent, the fact remains that white supremacy doesn't ask permission. Like any system of coercion and hierarchy, once it is in place, it takes no intentional effort on the part of the most of the privileged to maintain...simply going along with the dominant order is enough. Indeed, the universal human desire to think well of oneself, to avoid association with commission of great harm, actually creates an incentive for denial of such complicity. This, combined with growing up in an environment in which the privileged (on a given axis...in this case "race") are trained to not see their own privilege, leads to exactly the kind of dogmatic blindness and reactionary nonsense championed by the likes of FOX, bloggers like Breitbart, and overt white supremacists like Jared Taylor and David Duke.

A clear question which cuts to the heart of this issue would be:

who benefits -- materially, psychologically, and politically -- from the popular pretense that "white" people are not privileged?

vendur · Jun 28, 2012

sangha said:
All three branches of the fed govt are primarily white. Which country are you talking about?

What percent of the DOJ do you think is white?

"Most disturbing, the dismissal is part of a creeping lawlessness infusing our government institutions. Citizens would be shocked to learn about the open and pervasive hostility within the Justice Department to bringing civil rights cases against nonwhite defendants on behalf of white victims. Equal enforcement of justice is not a priority of this administration. Open contempt is voiced for these types of cases."

ADAMS: Inside the Black Panther case - Washington Times

vendur · Jun 28, 2012

cmakaioz said:
Denial of the fact (not opinion) of white privilege is -- at minimum -- indication of complicity in white supremacism as a fact on the ground.

With Barack Obama history, he couldn't get elected to student council if he were white. Instead, he gets into the best school in the USa and becomes president, almost entirely because of his "non-whiteness".

sangha · Jun 28, 2012

muciti said:
yea constitution my ass. believe what you want to.

I accept your surrender!

sangha · Jun 28, 2012

vendur said:
What percent of the DOJ do you think is white?

"Most disturbing, the dismissal is part of a creeping lawlessness infusing our government institutions. Citizens would be shocked to learn about the open and pervasive hostility within the Justice Department to bringing civil rights cases against nonwhite defendants on behalf of white victims. Equal enforcement of justice is not a priority of this administration. Open contempt is voiced for these types of cases."

ADAMS: Inside the Black Panther case - Washington Times

The Moonie Times?

Seriously?

:lamo

cmakaioz · Jun 28, 2012

vendur said:
With Barack Obama history, he couldn't get elected to student council if he were white. Instead, he gets into the best school in the USa and becomes president, almost entirely because of his "non-whiteness".

As a basic courtesy, if you're going to randomly inject non responsive talking points, don't bother quoting me. You can do that without giving the false impression that your post has any kind of relationship to what you're quoting.

Silly me, I see someone quote a post, and being old-fashioned I expect that the words which follow will be some kind of response to what was quoted.

vendur · Jun 28, 2012

sangha said:
The Moonie Times?

Seriously?

:lamo

It was written by Christian Adams,. Might want to look him up.

Or you could look extremely stupid.

You could do that, too.

sangha · Jun 28, 2012

vendur said:
It was written by Christian Adams,. Might want to look him up.

Or you could look extremely stupid.

You could do that, too.

I could, but I prefer to leave that to the rightwingers. They're naturally good at that job

vendur · Jun 28, 2012

cmakaioz said:
As a basic courtesy, if you're going to randomly inject non responsive talking points, don't bother quoting me. .

As a basic courtesy. don't tell people what to do.

That said, I completely destroyed your bogus claims about your fantasy of a system of "white supremacy"
.

Feel free to keep crying about it.

It's a free country-- until our non-white nazi in chief decides otherwise, of course.

Sig · Jul 1, 2012

sangha said:
Can someone explain to me what part of this campaign is "racist"?

Specifically, this campaign is ABOMINABLY racist in that it suggests that all white people are inherently privileged just for being white, as if America literally maintains a rigid caste system based upon race. This may have been true, to a certain extent, at one time but it is certainly NOT true today and has not been true for a great many years. To suggest that such a caste system is extant in America today is a shameful and reckless prevarication.

I don't see anything that denigrates or insults white people

This ad is an insult to the entire nation; which, of course, includes white people.

On a more subtle and insidious level, it is a cruel slap in the face to every white person in America who is struggling to subsist at the present time, while it serves as socially toxic, racist propaganda for every American who identifies as being something other than white and is psychologically vulnerable to the suggestions of such propaganda.

teamosil · Jul 1, 2012

Sig said:
Specifically, this campaign is ABOMINABLY racist in that it suggests that all white people are inherently privileged just for being white, as if America literally maintains a rigid caste system based upon race. This may have been true, to a certain extent, at one time but it is certainly NOT true today and has not been true for a great many years. To suggest that such a caste system is extant in America today is a shameful and reckless prevarication.

If a white person and a black person apply for the same job with the same resume, today, the white person gets the interview 2.4 times more often. How is that not being privileged?

Sig said:
On a more subtle and insidious level, it is a cruel slap in the face to every white person in America who is struggling to subsist at the present time

How is it a slap in the face to us? That's idiotic. Of course there are white people who are struggling. Racial discrimination isn't the only factor in determining how successful somebody is... Obviously...

Sig said:
while it serves as socially toxic, racist propaganda for every American who identifies as being something other than white and is psychologically vulnerable to the suggestions of such propaganda.

How is that kiddo?

Sig · Jul 1, 2012

teamosil said:
If a white person and a black person apply for the same job with the same resume, today, the white person gets the interview 2.4 times more often. How is that not being privileged?

You are foolishly (and racistly) putting all the eggs in one basket. This study is not the end-all expose on human experience in America. The fact of the matter is that there are many white people who cannot possibly submit the same resume as many black people due to said white people being comparatively disadvantaged from birth, being born and raised in a much lower socioeconomic class. Yes, believe it or not, in case no one has told you, there are, in fact, white people in America who are much, much poorer than black people.

How is it a slap in the face to us? That's idiotic. Of course there are white people who are struggling. Racial discrimination isn't the only factor in determining how successful somebody is... Obviously...

Obviously you are missing the obvious. Try a simple experiment: Pretend that you're a white person from the welfare class who just got laid off from his job. You come home, turn on the telly, and are confronted with this obnoxious ad. Think about it.

How is that kiddo?

Well, if you're a disadvantaged black person from the welfare class, you might be inclined to assault the next white person you see for no other reason than his being "privileged" because of his race, even if he is in the same socioeconomic class as you are.

That's how, kiddo.

One can only wonder how many blacks in America can watch an ad like that and interpret it as a license for racist aggression against whites.

teamosil · Jul 1, 2012

Sig said:
You are foolishly (and racistly) putting all the eggs in one basket. This study is not the end-all expose on human experience in America. The fact of the matter is that there are many white people who cannot possibly submit the same resume as many black people due to said white people being comparatively disadvantaged from birth, being born and raised in a much lower socioeconomic class. Yes, believe it or not, in case no one has told you, there are, in fact, white people in America who are much, much poorer than black people.

Obviously you are missing the obvious. Try a simple experiment: Pretend that you're a white person from the welfare class who just got laid off from his job. You come home, turn on the telly, and are confronted with this obnoxious ad. Think about it.

Again: Of course there are white people who are struggling. Racial discrimination isn't the only factor in determining how successful somebody is... Obviously... Nobody is saying that it is. That appears to just be in your head.

Sig said:
Well, if you're a disadvantaged black person from the welfare class, you might be inclined to assault the next white person you see for no other reason than his being "privileged" because of his race, even if he is in the same socioeconomic class as you are.

That's how, kiddo.

One can only wonder how many blacks in America can watch an ad like that and interpret it as a license for racist aggression against whites.

You're just blurting out white supremacist slogans and calling black people racist. Talking honestly about race is going to lead to black people killing whites? Seriously, that sounds like a rational thought in your world? Were you raised on stormfront or what?

A license for racist aggression against whites? That makes no sense at all. Why would that be a license for anything?

You need to put some serious thought into figuring out what is the matter with you and how you can fix it. This is not an acceptable way for an adult to behave.

Sig · Jul 1, 2012

teamosil said:
Again: Of course there are white people who are struggling. Racial discrimination isn't the only factor in determining how successful somebody is... Obviously...

Again, this is the point! What is wrong with you?

You remind of the type of person who will search all day for his car keys only to realize that they were in his hand all along.

Nobody is saying that it is.

Actually, this is EXACTLY what this racist ad is implying.

That appears to just be in your head.

No, sir, the problem is obviously in your head. You are so blinded by your reflexive precepts that you are incapable of seeing your way around them.

You're just blurting out white supremacist slogans and calling black people racist.

What "white supremacist slogans"? Are you nuts or something?

Talking honestly about race is going to lead to black people killing whites? Seriously, that sounds like a rational thought in your world? Were you raised on stormfront or what?

This ad isn't talking honestly about race. THIS IS THE POINT!!!

Were you raised on Planet Moonbat?

A license for racist aggression against whites? That makes no sense at all. Why would that be a license for anything?

Well, if you're a young black person who has been led to believe that all white people have been born with a silver spoon in their mouth, you might just feel entitled to go out with a bunch of your friends and randomly beat up the next white person you see. Believe it not, this sort of behavior actually happens quite frequently and the only real explanation for it is that many black youths feel they are justified in acting this way, thanks in large part to the sort of racist propaganda that people like you endorse and promote, and which many black youths naively take to heart.

You need to put some serious thought into figuring out what is the matter with you and how you can fix it. This is not an acceptable way for an adult to behave.

You need flush the moonbat sh!t out of your ears and eyes, and take a good look at the real world for a change. Maintaining a profound sense of unreality will do you no good.

teamosil · Jul 1, 2012

Sig said:
Actually, this is EXACTLY what this racist ad is implying.

Is it? Or is that just white supremacist rage that you are introducing on your own? Can you actually point to any element of the campaign that in any way implies that race is the only factor in success? That would, of course, be totally insane for anybody to claim that, so that is quite an extraordinary claim you're making. So, forgive me if I would like to see some support for your assertion.

Sig said:
What "white supremacist slogans"? Are you nuts or something?

Ok, so you're going to pretend that you don't understand how freaking out that the black people are going to be stired up into some kind of race rage and start attacking white people is white supremacist rhetoric? Uh...

As a society, we beat this disgusting attitude of yours back into a corner decades ago. We've had to call out the US military against our own citizens only four times in our history, but every single one of those times has been to put down white supremacists. We have committed genocide twice in our history already. How much more of this do you expect the country to tolerate from you?

Sig · Jul 2, 2012

teamosil said:
Is it? Or is that just white supremacist rage that you are introducing on your own?

Is this your idea of dialogue, "Agree with me or you're a white supremacist"?

Can you actually point to any element of the campaign that in any way implies that race is the only factor in success? That would, of course, be totally insane for anybody to claim that, so that is quite an extraordinary claim you're making. So, forgive me if I would like to see some support for your assertion.

The entire ad makes the implication. This is an advertisement, not a master's thesis. It punches a single idea to the viewer, to wit, that white people are innately privileged over non-whites due merely to their being white. The ad does not delve into any specifics regarding socioeconomic class, nor does it imply that race is NOT the only factor for success. What it does, quite recklessly, irresponsibly, and insidiously is suggest that whites--ALL WHITES--live in a privileged caste where they are "lucky they don't get stared at every single time they walk into a room" and automatically "get better jobs, better pay, better treatment, and a better chance because of the color of their skin." This is racist horsesh*t!

Ok, so you're going to pretend that you don't understand how freaking out that the black people are going to be stired up into some kind of race rage and start attacking white people is white supremacist rhetoric? Uh...

Wake up, guy. Do you not pay any attention to the news? Gangs of black youths have been notorious in recent years for roaming about cities like Philadelphia, Chicago, Milwaukee, etc. and randomly beating up white people for no apparent reason. Obviously, something is driving this behavior. Could it be toxic racial disinformation like that presented by this ad? Most likely. There is definitely some cognitive misconception behind such pointless and unprovoked aggression. But of course, one must first pull his head out of the sand and admit that such bizarre behavior is, in fact, occurring before one can delve into the matter as to why.

As a society, we beat this disgusting attitude of yours back into a corner decades ago. We've had to call out the US military against our own citizens only four times in our history, but every single one of those times has been to put down white supremacists. We have committed genocide twice in our history already. How much more of this do you expect the country to tolerate from you?

You are not going to escape your losing argument by trying to label me a white supremacist. Now, either cut the crap and stick to the issue under discussion, which is this idiotic advertisement, or get lost.

rocket88 · Jul 2, 2012

vendur said:
It's a free country-- until our non-white nazi in chief decides otherwise, of course.

I love people who claim up and down "I'm not a racist," then turn around and focus on Obama's race.

He also doesn't have dictatorial powers and if he was going to throw the Constitution into the trash heap of history and make himself one, don't you think he would have done so by now? It would save him a whole boatload of money come September if he didn't have to get re-elected.

rocket88 · Jul 2, 2012

Apparently nobody knows about the history of race relations in Duluth. But I'll spare you the lesson since nobody wants to hear any information that would destroy their little "reverse racism" worldview. I'll just say this. There are still places in this world where if you walk into a business establishment looking for a job, you are automatically seen differently if you are black. The Iron Range is probably one of those places.

Sig · Jul 2, 2012

rocket88 said:
Apparently nobody knows about the history of race relations in Duluth. But I'll spare you the lesson since nobody wants to hear any information that would destroy their little "reverse racism" worldview. I'll just say this. There are still places in this world where if you walk into a business establishment looking for a job, you are automatically seen differently if you are black. The Iron Range is probably one of those places.

There is many a pub in America where if you walk in and you are white, you will not only be looked at funny but you will be treated funny, damn funny. Indeed, you might not make it out of there with your wallet and all your teeth if you hang around very long. This is not "reverse racism." It is just plain ol' racism, and blacks can be just as capable of it as whites.

teamosil · Jul 2, 2012

Sig said:
The entire ad makes the implication. This is an advertisement, not a master's thesis. It punches a single idea to the viewer, to wit, that white people are innately privileged over non-whites due merely to their being white.

Right. Being white gives a person an advantage in our society. As we keep going over.

Sig said:
The ad does not delve into any specifics regarding socioeconomic class, nor does it imply that race is NOT the only factor for success. What it does, quite recklessly, irresponsibly, and insidiously is suggest that whites--ALL WHITES--live in a privileged caste where they are "lucky they don't get stared at every single time they walk into a room" and automatically "get better jobs, better pay, better treatment, and a better chance because of the color of their skin." This is racist horsesh*t!

Right, whites do get treated better because of the color of their skin. We've been over that... You admit that it is true, yet you still seem really upset about people saying it.

The notion that the ad has some obligation to point out the utterly obvious fact that there are many other factors to success as well is just bizarre... That is just some weird thing going on in your head. It isn't real. Nobody would assume that it was the only factor... That would be crazy...

Sig said:
Wake up, guy. Do you not pay any attention to the news? Gangs of black youths have been notorious in recent years for roaming about cities like Philadelphia, Chicago, Milwaukee, etc. and randomly beating up white people for no apparent reason. Obviously, something is driving this behavior. Could it be toxic racial disinformation like that presented by this ad? Most likely. There is definitely some cognitive misconception behind such pointless and unprovoked aggression. But of course, one must first pull his head out of the sand and admit that such bizarre behavior is, in fact, occurring before one can delve into the matter as to why.

See! I don't get why you guys always deny it at first then just come out and admit it like that a few minutes later. What's the point?

Sig said:
You are not going to escape your losing argument by trying to label me a white supremacist. Now, either cut the crap and stick to the issue under discussion, which is this idiotic advertisement, or get lost.

Er what? You're back to pretending that you oppose white supremacy again? But you just admitted it and started ranting out white supremacist slogans only one paragraph ago! It's crazy making! You need to pick a position and stick with it!

Sig · Jul 2, 2012

teamosil said:
Right. Being white gives a person an advantage in our society. As we keep going over.

WRONG, WRONG.... WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM, NUMNUTZ???... WRONG!!!!

For the umpteenth time, being white does NOT equate with intrinsic advantage in our society any more than being black equates with intrinsic criminality. Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend? For anyone to assume that any random white person they encounter on the street is necessarily better off socioeconomically, or in any other way, than the next non-white person they encounter, simply because of whiteness is absolute racism in its purest and most ugly manifestation. Get this through your thick head right now. I am tired of explaining it to you.

Right, whites do get treated better because of the color of their skin. We've been over that... You admit that it is true, yet you still seem really upset about people saying it.

You, sir, are a racist assh*le. Plain and simple, dyed-in-the-wool RACIST!!!!

The notion that the ad has some obligation to point out the utterly obvious fact that there are many other factors to success as well is just bizarre... That is just some weird thing going on in your head. It isn't real. Nobody would assume that it was the only factor... That would be crazy...

No, the weird thing going on is entirely in your head, you sick, racist sh!t-for-brains.

See! I don't get why you guys always deny it at first then just come out and admit it like that a few minutes later. What's the point?

WTF are you talking about?

Er what? You're back to pretending that you oppose white supremacy again? But you just admitted it and started ranting out white supremacist slogans only one paragraph ago! It's crazy making! You need to pick a position and stick with it!

What white supremacist slogans? Now I want a specific answer. What white supremacist slogans have I expressed in this discussion? You have made this idiotic accusation twice. To what exactly are you referring? Tell me.

teamosil · Jul 2, 2012

Sig said:
WRONG, WRONG.... WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM, NUMNUTZ???... WRONG!!!!

For the umpteenth time, being white does NOT equate with intrinsic advantage in our society any more than being black equates with intrinsic criminality. Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend? For anyone to assume that any random white person they encounter on the street is necessarily better off socioeconomically, or in any other way, than the next non-white person they encounter, simply because of whiteness is absolute racism in its purest and most ugly manifestation. Get this through your thick head right now. I am tired of explaining it to you.

Listen kiddo. Again, if a white job applicant and a black job applicant apply for the same job, the white applicant gets 2.4 times more interviews. Period. That's the end of that discussion unless you can provide some kind of counter evidence. Understand? No matter how angry it makes you, those are the facts.

Sig said:
What white supremacist slogans? Now I want a specific answer. What white supremacist slogans have I expressed in this discussion? You have made this idiotic accusation twice. To what exactly are you referring? Tell me.

LOL. So you're going to pretend you don't understand how your whole rant about how civil rights activists are making black people all uppity and so they're forming gangs to attack white people is white supremacist? Sorry pal, I don't fall for the whole "I'm not a racist, I'm just too stupid to understand why what I am saying is racist" angle. How many times in your entire life has that schtick worked for you? Ever? If you were really that stupid it's unlikely that you would be able to figure out how to read, let alone to type. You need to deal with your issues man. You need to talk to somebody about it, because it just isn't acceptable to behave like you are.

sangha · Jul 11, 2012

Sig said:
Specifically, this campaign is ABOMINABLY racist in that it suggests that all white people are inherently privileged just for being white, as if America literally maintains a rigid caste system based upon race. This may have been true, to a certain extent, at one time but it is certainly NOT true today and has not been true for a great many years. To suggest that such a caste system is extant in America today is a shameful and reckless prevarication.

I don't see how it suggests that the US has a caste system.

And there is no doubt that that there are priviliges to being white in this country, and there's nothing racist about stating so

This ad is an insult to the entire nation; which, of course, includes white people.

There's nothing "racist" about insulting a nation, which this campaign does not do

On a more subtle and insidious level, it is a cruel slap in the face to every white person in America who is struggling to subsist at the present time, while it serves as socially toxic, racist propaganda for every American who identifies as being something other than white and is psychologically vulnerable to the suggestions of such propaganda.

All you've done is claim that it is racist, as if I should believe based on nothing more than your say-so. You have not said anything to explain what exactly is racist about it

IOW, thanks for nothing

Sig · Jul 14, 2012

sangha said:
I don't see how it suggests that the US has a caste system.

I know, and that is a problem which you need to work on.

Try thinking a little harder.

vendur · Jul 16, 2012

rocket88 said:
I love people who claim up and down "I'm not a racist," then turn around and focus on Obama's race.

Obama fought tooth and nail be "considered black" during his presidential bid. If it were so horrible and encumbering to be "black", why did Obama claim to be black instead of "white", or even "multiracial".

Cause his whole life he has been handed everything because of his "blackness", and he fully knows liberal canards that "being black" is a disadvantage is complete bull****. His entire life is a living testament to that.

Racist, talentless moron who accomplished nothing in life becomes president, with nothing more than flashing the race card to the leftist media. Then he wins the nobel ****ing prize for doing NOTHING again.

Oh it's so horrible to be black.

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