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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Maybe just me, but I recall growing up, hearing nothing from my teachers and at home but about the similarities, the things we all share [as Americans], the things that make us brothers and sisters. Before all that the differences seemed to pale. And dammit, that was working. We were crawling out.

    Then we hit the correctness wall. And diversity became the lesson. No longer did we teach we're not different, now we teach we are different. Heck, the differences are throw in our faces daily. The similariites, not so much anymore.

    Same thing with political parties.
    Well, I for one I'm glad you've joined us all in the adult world where racism is an issue and you don't get stars for getting the answer correctly.
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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You live in a pretty naive world.

    The Republican voting base is in the South. An area where there aren't only racial hostility but an ingrained culture of xenophobia that has seeped its way into every social aspect.

    To take an open stand against racism as a Republican and in the 21st century is absolute political suicide. Sure, you can have photo ops with NCAA leaders, that's fine and dandy, but to actually take an open stand? You'd cut out at a minimum 5-10% of your voting base.
    Hardly

    Yes, that comprises a large portion of their base, but take a quick glance at the 2010 mid term election map and you'll see that it's hardly contained to a single area.

    That's an awfully vague statement, I'm going to need an example of actual legal discrimination against blacks that you would like them to take a stand against.

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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Well, I for one I'm glad you've joined us all in the adult world where racism is an issue and you don't get stars for getting the answer correctly.
    You mean the world filled with racism, division, extreme partisanship being a norm? Nice world you built with diversity. Let me just tell you - it wasn't what my generation or the one before was aiming for. We wanted to be one, you seem okay with being divided.

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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

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    Hardly

    Yes, that comprises a large portion of their base, but take a quick glance at the 2010 mid term election map and you'll see that it's hardly contained to a single area.
    Who said it was? I said their base is in the South. Take out the South in any election and Republicans don't have a foothold ANYWHERE in the North East or West. The last time Republicans had a real political presence outside of the South and Midwest was Reagan and that was nearly 30 years ago. Who the hell are you trying to fool with "hardly"? Here I'll give you a quick look at the last 3 elections and you can tell me which part of the South is "hardly" not Republican:

    2010:



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    The common denominator here is simple the South is the Republican base. Without it, they have no hope of winning an election. Think I'm wrong? Named an election in the last 30-40 years where a Republican president has won without taking the South? You can't. Why? Because Republicans simply don't have a real strong foothold in the North East or West.

    That's an awfully vague statement, I'm going to need an example of actual legal discrimination against blacks that you would like them to take a stand against.
    When you use "vague" words like "legal discrimination", you're betraying your purpose. What is "legal discrimination" seeing race based discrimination is illegal? We're not discussing the legality of discrimination, we're discussing whether it happens at a societal level and isn't restricted solely to "race" as much as its relationship with it. Here are a few universities studying the issue:

    UCLA Researchers Identify Race-based Discrimination as a Critical Contributor to Health Disparities in African Americans / UCLA Newsroom

    When a person experiences discrimination, the body develops a cognitive response in which it recognizes the discrimination as something that is bad and should be defended against, Mays said. She said this response occurs for the most part even if the person merely perceives that discrimination is a possibility.

    Starting with the brain's recognition of discrimination, the body sets into motion a series of physiological responses to protect itself from these stressful negative experiences, Mays said. These physiological responses include biochemical reactions, hyper-vigilance and elevated blood pressure and heart rate. With many African Americans, these responses may occur so frequently that they eventually result in the physiological system not working correctly.

    According to Mays, the experience of race-based discrimination for some African Americans is akin to the response a person's body mounts when it experiences significant life-threatening danger, such as fear for a person's life or of a possible attack. She said that if the body mounts a response to protect itself against a "life-threatening" experience on a regular basis, after awhile it is strained and overworked. Many of the chemicals that come to its rescue can damage systems in the body that are associated with disease and obesity.

    According to the report's authors, there has been much focus on the emotional impact of discrimination. But other critical factors — such as identifying how the brain recognizes and determines what racial discrimination is and how the body responds biochemically — may help researchers understand why African Americans are not benefiting from protections against negative health outcomes in the same manner as whites.
    Class-Based Discrimination Harms Child Health - RWJF

    Prior to this research, investigators had not explored social class discrimination as a reason for socioeconomic differences in physical health disparities. “There are several lab-based studies showing that the middle class looks down on the poor. This study builds on this work to show that individuals from low-income families report experiencing discrimination, and that this discrimination is influencing their health,” explains Fuller-Rowell, a RWJF Health & Society Scholar in the department of population health sciences at the University of Wisconsin at Madison, who conducted the study along with Evans, a professor of design and environmental analysis at Cornell University and Ong, a professor of human development at Cornell.

    “My Health & Society Scholar program experience has allowed me to focus my research on the mechanisms behind health disparities,” Fuller-Rowell adds. “In an upcoming project, I’ll be exploring the health trajectories of Black and White college students and considering whether various discrimination-related stresses in the lives of stigmatized minority students at predominantly White colleges may be influencing changes in their health over time.”

    Fuller-Rowell points out that his current study is unique in that it looks at social class distinctions, plus group health disparities. “Research that looks at the impact of discrimination on health, based on racial differences, can often produce different findings because issues of racial identity come into to play. It can be difficult to link perceived discrimination among African Americans, for example, to health because in some cases, perceived discrimination correlates with a strong sense of racial identity, which can be beneficial to health.”
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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You mean the world filled with racism, division, extreme partisanship being a norm? Nice world you built with diversity.
    I didn't know you were an Orwell fan. Let me guess? War is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength? Or are you playing the non-sequitur game?
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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    It's just sick that any of you are so morally depraved to object even to something as innocuous as this. The kneejerk reaction of the right to attack any attempt to lessen racism is just sick. You should be ashamed of yourselves. The Republican party is flat out turning into a white supremacist party. Disgusting.
    According to this, and several of your ensuing posts, you are accusing me of being morally depraved, being a republican, and being a bigoted white supremacist.

    Before I respond to these accusations teamsoil, can you explain to me why you despise racism and bigotry please? If you think such things are immoral, can you please explain why?

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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I didn't know you were an Orwell fan. Let me guess? War is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength? Or are you playing the non-sequitur game?
    Language does influence thought. It's all about the things we teach and how we teach them, to ourselves and our children. If we stress the differences, that's what we're going to see, the differences. Being human, with difference recognition hardwired into us for survival, conflict is sure to ensue.

    However, if we stress the similarities we get a different result. Or at least it looked like we were, before it was abandoned.

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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Language does influence thought.
    Good for it. You're playing non-sequiturs. I'm not really interested in the feel good stories you tell your kids.
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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Who said it was? I said their base is in the South. Take out the South in any election and Republicans don't have a foothold ANYWHERE in the North East or West. The last time Republicans had a real political presence outside of the South and Midwest was Reagan and that was nearly 30 years ago. Who the hell are you trying to fool with "hardly"? Here I'll give you a quick look at the last 3 elections and you can tell me which part of the South is "hardly" not Republican:

    2010:



    2008

    Attachment 67129858

    2006

    Attachment 67129859

    The common denominator here is simple the South is the Republican base. Without it, they have no hope of winning an election. Think I'm wrong? Named an election in the last 30-40 years where a Republican president has won without taking the South? You can't. Why? Because Republicans simply don't have a real strong foothold in the North East or West.



    When you use "vague" words like "legal discrimination", you're betraying your purpose. What is "legal discrimination" seeing race based discrimination is illegal? We're not discussing the legality of discrimination, we're discussing whether it happens at a societal level and isn't restricted solely to "race" as much as its relationship with it. Here are a few universities studying the issue:

    UCLA Researchers Identify Race-based Discrimination as a Critical Contributor to Health Disparities in African Americans / UCLA Newsroom



    Class-Based Discrimination Harms Child Health - RWJF
    By hardly, I meant they also have quite a influence in the midwest, which your own graphic demonstrates.

    And?

    Fascinating read, but what actions would you propose to remedy such alleged discrimination? Specifically the Republican party?
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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    By hardly, I meant they also have quite a influence in the midwest, which your own graphic demonstrates.
    Good for them, they can afford to lose the "Midwest" whatever arbitrary lines make it up depending on the week. Now try and lose Texas and win an election as a Republican. You absolutely can't.

    And?

    Fascinating read, but what actions would you propose to remedy such alleged discrimination? Specifically the Republican party?
    If it's been observed by a study, it's not alleged. If the study has been published and quantitative data backs it up, it's not alleged. Learn to use that word, learn about the Southern Strategy and then we can have a discussion. Until then? Well I welcome you to keep playing semantics and denial.

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