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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

    Maybe just me, but I recall growing up, hearing nothing from my teachers and at home but about the similarities, the things we all share [as Americans], the things that make us brothers and sisters. Before all that the differences seemed to pale. And dammit, that was working. We were crawling out.

    Then we hit the correctness wall. And diversity became the lesson. No longer did we teach we're not different, now we teach we are different. Heck, the differences are throw in our faces daily. The similariites, not so much anymore.

    Same thing with political parties.

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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    LOL don't be ridiculous. You understand that the overwhelming majority of students admitted to Michigan are white, right? What you really mean is that you're mad that they let in some minorities.
    Don't be silly, I realize that universities with athletic programs have to let in some minorities.

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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    I'm not speaking from a personal perspective. Obviously some individuals felt otherwise, to in turn label the entire right wing as bigots is silly, but you should know that by now.
    I don't know. By all means, there are some Republicans who oppose bigotry. But I can hardly remember the last time I heard one of them openly take a stand against it. When bigotry comes up, the folks on the right seem to come out on the pro-bigotry side, what, 99% of the time? 98%? Sure, it isn't 100%, but it is clearly a dominant characteristic of the right at this point.
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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

    The problem with the "silent (white and mostly male) majority" is that they don't really understand the level of racism being discussed. They always want to dumb it down to the most common denominator. That being how "racism" affects them in their personal lives as if it really made a difference in the societal scale of things. You ever notice that when you discuss racism on DP, you have about 10-15 people, most right wing or closeted right wingers crying about that one time they got passed over for some black guy at work? A story which can't be verified in any manner, shape or form is the information they want us to take into consideration when discussing racism. That's it. When you show them the mountains of independent sociological studies, government studies, demonstrating executive level discrimination against minorities, women, etc - they simply brush it off with a standard idiotic response of "slavery is over!", "Women get paid!" and "Obama got elected!" - then they parade their tokens - even the ones who pretend to be black on the internet - to show off how slavery is somehow a "societal problem" that affects us all equally. It really isn't. Not in the American context anyways.

    White Protestant males have simply had it better in US history. There is not a SINGLE person with any kind of historiographical studies under their belt who'd deny this on purpose. That's where "white privilege" comes from. It's not really speaking about "white women" privilege, though they have benefited from it. The label targets a pretty specific demographic who for one reason of another wants to deny it actually exists. For every rich African-American, Chinese American and Hispanic-American family there exist dozens of rich white protestant families many of whom wouldn't have reached their level if it weren't for the unique accident that they were born white in a country with 200+ years of social, governmental and cultural policies that benefited protestant whites. Sure, there exist some white groups within the US who have been discriminated against. However, they're few, far in between and noticeable exceptions to the general racism experienced by visible minorities in this country.

    The day the silent white mostly male majority recognizes this, we'll be able to discuss racism. Until then, we'll have to live with their personal unverifiable tales of racism and purposeful ignorance of the subject.
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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Don't be silly, I realize that universities with athletic programs have to let in some minorities.
    Why do you guys bother with the initial denial that you are white supremacists just to a few minutes later admit it? We've all been round this circle 1,000 times. We all know you're going to admit it soon. So why bother with the fake denial first? Why not just admit what you are? Shame? If you're ashamed of your views, why don't you try to improve them?
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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The problem with the "silent (white and mostly male) majority" is that they don't really understand the level of racism being discussed. They always want to dumb it down to the most common denominator. That being how "racism" affects them in their personal lives as if it really made a different in the societal scale of things. You ever notice that when you discuss racism on DP, you have about 10-15 people, most right wing or closeted right wingers crying about that one time they got passed over for some black guy at work? A story which can't be verified in any manner, shape or form is the information they want us to take into consideration when discussing racism. That's it. When you show them the mountains of independent sociological studies, government studies, demonstrating executive level discrimination against minorities, women, etc - they simply brush it off with a standard idiotic response of "slavery is over!", "Women get paid!" and "Obama got elected!" - then they parade their tokens - even the ones who pretend to be black on the internet - to show off how slavery is somehow a "societal problem" that affects us all equally. It really isn't. Not in the American context anyways.

    White Protestant males have simply had it better in US history. There is not a SINGLE person with any kind of historiographical studies under their belt who'd deny this on purpose. That's where "white privilege" comes from. It's not really speaking about "white women" privilege, though they have benefited from it. The label targets a pretty specific demographic who for one reason of another wants to deny it actually exists. For every rich African-American, Chinese American and Hispanic-American family there exist dozens of rich white protestant families many of whom wouldn't have reached their level if it weren't for the unique accident that they were born white in a country with 200+ years of social, governmental and cultural policies that benefited protestant whites. Sure, there exist some white groups within the US who have been discriminated against. However, they're few, far in between and noticeable exceptions to the general racism experienced by visible minorities in this country.

    The day the silent white mostly male majority recognizes this, we'll be able to discuss racism. Until then, we'll have to live with their personal unverifiable tales of racism and purposeful ignorance of the subject.
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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I don't know. By all means, there are some Republicans who oppose bigotry. But I can hardly remember the last time I heard one of them openly take a stand against it. When bigotry comes up, the folks on the right seem to come out on the pro-bigotry side, what, 99% of the time? 98%? Sure, it isn't 100%, but it is clearly a dominant characteristic of the right at this point.
    Perhaps because racism is a completely subjective term. You're willing to label others as bigots soley because of differing viewpoints on what bigotry is, not outright discrimination.

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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    I don't see you as black or white. I see you as green.....with envy.
    Great response. You've single handedly destroyed my concise and well thought out argument with the grace expected of a Stormfront poster.
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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Perhaps because racism is a completely subjective term. You're willing to label others as bigots soley because of differing viewpoints on what bigotry is, not outright discrimination.
    You live in a pretty naive world. The Republican voting base is in the South. An area where there aren't only racial hostility but an ingrained culture of xenophobia that has seeped its way into every social aspect. To take an open stand against racism as a Republican and in the 21st century is absolute political suicide. Sure, you can have photo ops with NCAA leaders, defend Strom Thurmond, replace him with a Democrat who also has a racist past etc. That's fine and dandy, but to actually take an open stand against racism? You'd cut out at a minimum 5-10% of your voting base. Racism isn't subjective. It's observable and does happen. Don't believe me? Take a look at any sociological journals written on the topic in the last 60 years.
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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Maybe just me, but I recall growing up, hearing nothing from my teachers and at home but about the similarities, the things we all share [as Americans], the things that make us brothers and sisters. Before all that the differences seemed to pale. And dammit, that was working. We were crawling out.

    Then we hit the correctness wall. And diversity became the lesson. No longer did we teach we're not different, now we teach we are different. Heck, the differences are throw in our faces daily. The similariites, not so much anymore.

    Same thing with political parties.
    There's an unsubtle distinction between pointing out inherent difference between the races, and pointing out the fact that people, despite the Jim Crow era being over, are still being treated differently by society on the basis of their skin color.
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