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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Oh, you'll certainly offend some people no matter what you do or say. But there are ways to minimize the offense.

    Granted, with modern Conservativism being the last bastion of the true hyper-victim-mentality bull**** in this country, they are a very vocal group of offended folks. But people are starting to catch on to their victim-mentality nonsense and they are beginning to ignore them, so they can usually be dealt with these days by pointing out the absurdity of their views.
    To be frank I would put your religious right types right there next to your anti-religious individuals in terms of your "hyper-victim-mentality bull****" in this country type of people. The "OMG they're doing a war on christmas" complaints are obnoxious but about on par with the "OMG there's god on the dollar bill I'm so offended" crowd. I'd say there are still a fair bit of hyper-victim-mentality crowds out there...though I would agree that some of the louder ones recently have been certian segments of the right.

    But again, this particular issue and being annoyed at it is not a "left/right" thing I believe. My wife's center, left leaning on social issues but leaning a bit more right on other issues since living with me. To be most accurate though she's mostly apolitical...she doesn't give much of a crap about politics. She found the ad idiotic and offensive...not in the "OMG I'm OFFENDED" sort of what but in more of the "My god it hurts that people are that ****ing dumb" sort of way. Even in terms of the racism divide she's differently on the neutral side of things as growing up through school the demographics were pretty much split even and has been interacting with other races significantly since a young age (she actually joking stated one downside of moving back to where I'm from is that there's "Nowhere near enough black people there"). Yet even someone on that end of the spectrum felt more insulted and annoyed at the stylization of the ad then somehow enlightened or inspired or altered in her way of thinking.

    The generalized idea about what the message is concerning isn't the problem...it's the application and method of delivering that message that is problematic and I think does an overall disservice.

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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Of course, one could easily flip this and point out that there are those who appear to see racism in a Hallmark card that uses the term "black holes" yet can't/won't see even the possibility that it exists an ad campaign that's effectively saying that you're wrong to be white.
    Somehow, I missed this last part of your post when I responded initially, as SB said, that's not what the ad campaign in saying, at all. That's just the "woe is me" interpretation of it kind of like when people point out low education rates in the black population and some black people argue that they are calling black people stupid.

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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    And if people aren't reflexively on the defensive maybe they'll stop and think, "hmm maybe they have a point."
    I think that this is one of the main problems with discussing race in this country. Almost everybody is on the defensive regardless of how arguments about race are presented.

    Whether you present studies of white privilege or you develop a campaign like the one being discussed here, a lot white people are going to get defensive go on about "white guilt" or "you're being a racist hypocrite" without examining the veracity of the arguments being presented. Similarly, whether you present studies of black incarceration rates or address them in a more controversial way, a lot black people are going to get defensive and go on about "racism" or "you're just trying to bring us down."

    Ultimately, white people don't want to be portrayed as evil racists. Blacks don't want to be portrayed as uneducated thugs. Hispanics don't want to be portrayed as overly dramatic unintelligible fools. Asians don't want to be portrayed as hostile xenophobes with comically stupid accents. And so on... In light of all this, people are so sensitive to these images of their population that they defend themselves against it even when they are not being invoked. It's understandable, but it needs to stop.

    People don't want to be portrayed negatively, people don't want to confront the negative parts of their population/individuality and people don't want others to believe the stereotypes about them. This is something white, black, Hispanic, Asian, Native American and all other racial-ethnic groups and individuals have in common. The problem is that what unites them is what prevents them from hearing each other.

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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I agree, but where we part is that I don't think this method of advertising is going to help drive people to do that but rather fuel the fire of that kind of reaction being the norm and thus helping to slow the process of people getting "on with it".
    Meh, I've already said several times that I don't think this particular campaign is going to be particularly effective and that's it's most likely just going to piss people off.

    I'd feel the same way if it was billboards picturing a black man/woman/child's face stereotyping the issue of single parent black homes and families where a father is basically abscent.
    I think that there have already been campaigns like that and they pissed some people off, didn't piss off others and sparked a lot of discussion. I think where we differ is that you think that pissing people off and offending people is a problem, period. I don't. Some of my greatest realizations came from someone offending me with the truth.

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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    To be frank I would put your religious right types right there next to your anti-religious individuals in terms of your "hyper-victim-mentality bull****" in this country type of people. The "OMG they're doing a war on christmas" complaints are obnoxious but about on par with the "OMG there's god on the dollar bill I'm so offended" crowd. I'd say there are still a fair bit of hyper-victim-mentality crowds out there...though I would agree that some of the louder ones recently have been certian segments of the right.
    The argument that there is no reason to have "God" on currency is not necessarily based on a victim-mentality, whereas the "war on Christmas" argument is entirely dependent on it. That's not to say that hyper anti-theists are not often guilty of employing a victim-mentality themselves, I'm just noting that there is a huge difference between the primary premises of those two arguments related to said victim mentality.

    A better example would have been the anti-theists who cry about school valedictorians citing God in their speeches, or whine about Wal-mart having people say "Merry Christmas".

    But again, this particular issue and being annoyed at it is not a "left/right" thing I believe.
    This particular issue (these ads) no, that's not left/right at all. Had the ads delivered teh message more appropriately, however, the people who would be offended by the message would probably have a higher tendency towards being of the social conservative variety.

    The generalized idea about what the message is concerning isn't the problem...it's the application and method of delivering that message that is problematic and I think does an overall disservice.
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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    Certainly, much of this is true. But when arguments are made that certain characteristics of black culture embrace violence, or in regard to welfare reform- one is always met with accusations of racism before they've even been allowed to qualify their point.

    The race card is generally used to deflect from REAL, ACTUAL, PROBLEMS that need to be solved.
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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Meh, I've already said several times that I don't think this particular campaign is going to be particularly effective and that's it's most likely just going to piss people off.
    And on this part we'll agree even if we disagree on others

    I think that there have already been campaigns like that and they pissed some people off, didn't piss off others and sparked a lot of discussion. I think where we differ is that you think that pissing people off and offending people is a problem, period. I don't. Some of my greatest realizations came from someone offending me with the truth.
    One quibble. I don't think pissing people off is inherently problematic, period. I think that if the net result of you pissing people off is negative in terms of whatever the ends of your action is, then it's problematic. I also think that often it is a less efficient means of making a point get put across. Sometimes it definitely has a place...but it's not common and it's usually on a more narrow scope rather than broad.

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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The argument that there is no reason to have "God" on currency is not necessarily based on a victim-mentality, whereas the "war on Christmas" argument is entirely dependent on it. That's not to say that hyper anti-theists are not often guilty of employing a victim-mentality themselves, I'm just noting that there is a huge difference between the primary premises of those two arguments related to said victim mentality.
    I was going to say there's premises on both sides that can go either way, but you said primary so I'll conceed that. Didn't spend a lot of time thinking on it as an offshoot post, but your "merry christmas" one hit the nail on the head well for what my general mindset was on it.

    This particular issue (these ads) no, that's not left/right at all. Had the ads delivered teh message more appropriately, however, the people who would be offended by the message would probably have a higher tendency towards being of the social conservative variety.
    I agree. Which does go back out to my point. There's a segment, which I think in part you highlight in your explanation here, that are likely not going to be affected in a way that takes them to the positive end of race relations regardless of what you do. It's that more malleable section that you want to reach and affect with teaching and advertising and as I've said...the methodology of this ad I think does more harm to the issue with that group then good.

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    Re: Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Link: Fox News

    Link: Un-Fair Campaign



    Iím so sick of this kind of sanctimonious mental flatulence. Do they really think they are going to encourage solutions based dialogue by being racist toward people with white skin color? Are white people the only racist people?

    Iím all for the elimination of racism but constantly playing the race card and being racist yourself wonít reduce racism.


    Read the link and broadbrushing all whites as racist isn't the smartest way to go if you want to end racism, IMO.


    I don't know about anyone else but I usually make a "judgement" call on people as get to know them.

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