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    Where is the 'intelligence' in the CIA?

    According to the NY Times today the CIA is aiding the arming of Syrian rebels. What a great idea. After all, it worked so well for us in Afghanistan didn't it? What could we possibly have to gain from these shenanigans? Is the American need to export 'democracy' so great that we would foolishly continue policies that have been know to fail, and to fail horribly?

    Where is the intelligence?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/21/wo...pagewanted=all

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    Re: Where is the 'intelligence' in the CIA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Howler63 View Post
    According to the NY Times today the CIA is aiding the arming of Syrian rebels. What a great idea. After all, it worked so well for us in Afghanistan didn't it? What could we possibly have to gain from these shenanigans? Is the American need to export 'democracy' so great that we would foolishly continue policies that have been know to fail, and to fail horribly?

    Where is the intelligence?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/21/wo...pagewanted=all
    It's a government organization, intelligence will only get in the way.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Where is the 'intelligence' in the CIA?

    Yayyy its like cold war proxy wars all over again!
    Russia arms one people we arm the other people the russians arent arming!!


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    Re: Where is the 'intelligence' in the CIA?

    according to the new world order ,all maps and administrations will change ,and yes US supports syrian rebels as it supported other arabian springs..
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    Re: Where is the 'intelligence' in the CIA?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yayyy its like cold war proxy wars all over again!
    Russia arms one people we arm the other people the russians arent arming!!
    I can't wait for us to sidestep Congress, sell arms to Iran and use the profits to fund drug pushing death squads. Only we won't call them death squads because they'll be our friends...until they're not. Then we'll discover that they're really bad and hate our freedom and are terrorists.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I can't wait for us to sidestep Congress, sell arms to Iran and use the profits to fund drug pushing death squads. Only we won't call them death squads because they'll be our friends...until they're not. Then we'll discover that they're really bad and hate our freedom and are terrorists.
    History is a bitch aint it?


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    Re: Where is the 'intelligence' in the CIA?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    History is a bitch aint it?
    And we seemed doomed to repeat it ad nauseum.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: Where is the 'intelligence' in the CIA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And we seemed doomed to repeat it ad nauseum.
    Its funny aint it?
    Im sure we can **** it up a lot worse a second time around.


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    Re: Where is the 'intelligence' in the CIA?

    We will never learn that change, just for the sake of change, is not always a good thing. As we now see in Egypt, that elections among a largely uneducated population do not work "as planned". Whoever whips the masses into a frenzy the best gets their thugs placed in power. The uneducated and oppressed are still the uneducated and oppressed they just "chose" a new oppressor. This is pretty much what is going on in Syria, as it did in Lybia. Corrupt gov'ts, beget new corrupt gov'ts and little changes for the average poverty stricken moron in their tiny village. They still get no gov't services, just not get them from a different gov't.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Where is the 'intelligence' in the CIA?

    And from Reuters, another story on the flow of arms into Syria:

    As evidence mounts of Islamic militant forces among the Syrian opposition, senior U.S. and European officials are increasingly alarmed by the prospect of sophisticated weapons falling into the hands of rebel groups that may be dangerous to Western interests, including al Qaeda.

    In an interview with Reuters, U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta articulated U.S. worries that shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles, also known as MANPADS, could find their way onto the Syrian battlefield.
    As militants join Syria revolt, fears grow over arms flow | Reuters

    Given the lack of critical U.S. interests in Syria and lack of evidence that the anti-Assad armed elements will be friendly to U.S. interests and allies, I do not believe that the indirect U.S. role associated with arming those elements is helpful. I also believe it weakens the U.S. position to call for others not to arm factions in the ongoing civil conflict. It also undermines any possible role that the U.S. could play in trying to mediate a ceasefire. Finally, the arms flows create incentives for the Assad regime to use force, not exercise restraint. In the midst of arms flows, restraint could be perceived as merely buying time for the opposing armed elements to grow stronger until the battlefield is tilted to their advantage.

    On a separate note, the NYT article at the beginning of this thread highlights yet another example of U.S. foreign policy makers seeking "regime change" as some kind of silver bullet for remedying foreign policy challenges. The pursuit of regime change remains an overused instrument in U.S. foreign policy. It is not a theme that was not unique to the Bush Presidency. The lesson that regime change does not magically transform countries and societies into bastions of freedom, prosperity, democratic governance, and stability has still not been learned. The long-term costs of such a policy, aside from further weakened diplomatic capacity for the U.S., remain unclear, but regional instability is not cost-free.
    Last edited by donsutherland1; 06-22-12 at 10:03 AM.

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