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    Re: Mark Ruffalo and Tom Morello launch Robin Hood tax plan to outlaw Wall Street exc

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Were having a debate on our hand right know Vance...
    No...we are having a bunch of entertainers blaming the ills of the world on wall street and evil bankers. We are having a bunch of people salivating at the prospect of taxing a select group of people while ignoring everyone else (including themselves) and ignoring the reality that putting more taxes in the hands of congress is like giving more rocks to crack addicts.

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    Re: Mark Ruffalo and Tom Morello launch Robin Hood tax plan to outlaw Wall Street exc

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Congress indeed had a lot to play on this. But it was more through relaxation of proper regulation and allowing banks to leverage through the roof. Which they did. And that's fine, you can make a **** ton o' money doing so; but if the system starts to falter while you're leveraged high, you're gonna lose your shirt. And indeed that's what happened. Then you look at the mess on Wall Street and the improper regulations there and it all snowballed.
    As in any sport, the players and their coaches will push to the very edge, within the rules allowed, to win. We do not blame the players or coaches for this, in fact, we virtually demand them to do so, in order to win. Blaming the "greedy" Wall Street players or their coaches is not going to change a thing, unless the rules are changed, the game will not. ;-)
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    Re: Mark Ruffalo and Tom Morello launch Robin Hood tax plan to outlaw Wall Street exc

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    As in any sport, the players and their coaches will push to the very edge, within the rules allowed, to win. We do not blame the players or coaches for this, in fact, we virtually demand them to do so, in order to win. Blaming the "greedy" Wall Street players or their coaches is not going to change a thing, unless the rules are changed, the game will not. ;-)
    I don't know, we came down on the Saints pretty hard for their bounty scandal. But in the end, yes this is why proper government regulation is necessary. There are sometimes market forces which, left to their own, will crash the system. Thus a proper amount of government regulation is necessary to set the rules to prevent the run-away scenario.
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    Re: Mark Ruffalo and Tom Morello launch Robin Hood tax plan to outlaw Wall Street exc

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't know, we came down on the Saints pretty hard for their bounty scandal. But in the end, yes this is why proper government regulation is necessary. There are sometimes market forces which, left to their own, will crash the system. Thus a proper amount of government regulation is necessary to set the rules to prevent the run-away scenario.
    The League came down hard on specific players and coaches responsible for their actions and behaviors and where there are bankers that are guilty of some sort of crime, they too should face similar penalties.

    But hey...since we are just looking at ways to create new taxes (taxes we can shill off on 'Wall Street' cuz...**** Wall Street), then lets have a nickel tax per text. A nickel per blog post. Lets tag every tweet with a penny. Its just a penny. No big deal. A gaming tax...we can tax 3 pennies for every minute connected to a game server. 3 bucks a video game. A quarter per Red Bull or any other energy drink. We can tax every single person in the country.

    And then what? With no fiscal discipline thats just more money to be pissed away.

    'A tax'...a tax on anyone or anything...isnt the answer. Eventually it will have to be included as a component of an overall solution. Until there is real seriousness about solving problems, calling for a tax on evil bankers is just more populist bull****.

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    Re: Mark Ruffalo and Tom Morello launch Robin Hood tax plan to outlaw Wall Street exc

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The League came down hard on specific players and coaches responsible for their actions and behaviors and where there are bankers that are guilty of some sort of crime, they too should face similar penalties.

    But hey...since we are just looking at ways to create new taxes (taxes we can shill off on 'Wall Street' cuz...**** Wall Street), then lets have a nickel tax per text. A nickel per blog post. Lets tag every tweet with a penny. Its just a penny. No big deal. A gaming tax...we can tax 3 pennies for every minute connected to a game server. 3 bucks a video game. A quarter per Red Bull or any other energy drink. We can tax every single person in the country.

    And then what? With no fiscal discipline thats just more money to be pissed away.

    'A tax'...a tax on anyone or anything...isnt the answer. Eventually it will have to be included as a component of an overall solution. Until there is real seriousness about solving problems, calling for a tax on evil bankers is just more populist bull****.
    Nothing in that post referred to increasing taxes. I was talking proper government regulation of the system. Though the tax being discussed in the thread has been one proposed in the past as a way to create a low pass filter for the system and alleviate problems associated with micro-transactions.
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    Re: Mark Ruffalo and Tom Morello launch Robin Hood tax plan to outlaw Wall Street exc

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nothing in that post referred to increasing taxes. I was talking proper government regulation of the system. Though the tax being discussed in the thread has been one proposed in the past as a way to create a low pass filter for the system and alleviate problems associated with micro-transactions.
    My bad...thought you were referring to the OP. I agree there should be appropriate regulation. Above all else there should be accountability and responsibility.

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    Re: Mark Ruffalo and Tom Morello launch Robin Hood tax plan to outlaw Wall Street exc

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    If you haven't read ttwtt78640's answer, then I suggest you do. He hit the nail on the head.
    I think Ikari statement is more honest to the truth and reality....


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    Re: Mark Ruffalo and Tom Morello launch Robin Hood tax plan to outlaw Wall Street exc

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    No...we are having a bunch of entertainers blaming the ills of the world on wall street and evil bankers.
    In which they were given the power from congress to do what they did, and they carried out with these policies and look what happened...

    We are having a bunch of people salivating at the prospect of taxing a select group of people while ignoring everyone else (including themselves) and ignoring the reality that putting more taxes in the hands of congress is like giving more rocks to crack addicts.
    a <1% tax. Ohh the humanity


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    Re: Mark Ruffalo and Tom Morello launch Robin Hood tax plan to outlaw Wall Street exc

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    In which they were given the power from congress to do what they did, and they carried out with these policies and look what happened...


    a <1% tax. Ohh the humanity
    ANY tax...oh the humanity. See...it never really matters...as long as it doesnt impact you. Now...y'all ever want to get serious with the actual problems and solutions? Hell...Im betting I would promote the most sweeping reforms and highest taxes of anyone on this board. The difference is, you advocate idiotic **** 'just because' and I dont believe you do stupid ****...EVER...and certainly not with regard to taxes.

    Like I said...you ever want to get serious about this? Oh...we can talk tax increases. And budget cuts.

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    Re: Mark Ruffalo and Tom Morello launch Robin Hood tax plan to outlaw Wall Street exc

    That's not 'controlling' Wall Street excess, it's merely adding another profiteer to it. Namely the federal government.

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