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Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents - The Washington Post


Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious doc


WASHINGTON — Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents.


Bigger article coming as this just happened.



i find it amazing how this administration is avoiding the government process to investigate the fast and furious debacle. Given this move, I am curious as to the opinions of others on this matter.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Ahh here's one...


Obama grants Holder request on 'Furious' documents as contempt vote looms | Fox News


If holder ****ed up, why is this administration protecting him like this? We don't want guns to get in the wrong hands is what we hear from the far left. Mr. Holder, helped put guns into "the wrong hands" and American border patrolman died because of it.


He should be held accountable, not protected.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Well, you know I agree with you, Rev. This was all a botched plan to make it look like these guns came from the US, and to be a pretext for gun confiscations here in the US. What a shame, their little plan backfired. Now, they are playing the cover up game. Nothing like Executive Privilege to facilitate the cover up and break down the Constitution even farther. It is obvious this President has violated his oath to the Constitution. Impeach him.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

The argument, of course, is that producing the genormous number of documents that Issa has requested would jeopardize many ongoing Justice Department investigations, and violote executive privilege.

Did you attack attack Bush and his AG when they asserted executive privilege in connection with the DA scandal?
 
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Just think if Bush was the President and exerted this type of executive privilege to cover up a crime. I can just see what CNN and MSNBC would be saying. CNN is busy sugar coating Obama's latest executive action as we speak.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

The argument, of course, is that producing the genormous number of documents that Issa has requested would jeopardize many ongoing Justice Department investigations, and violote executive privilege.



So Obama was first handed involved in fast and furious? Last case like this, was nixon and the watergate tapes, and we all know how the supreme court ruled then.


If the president was involved, then Obama has a week argument for executive priveledge (holder already said he didn't know about it), if Obama wasn't involved then thier is no executive priveldge....


Begs the question, WTF does Obama not want us to see?


Did you attack attack Bush and his AG when they asserted executive privilege in connection with the DA scandal?



I don't deal in jibber jabber. Bush isn't the president, nor the subject of this thread. Please for once try not to deflect to the president from almost 4 years ago, in order to give a pass to the one you like.
 
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I agree; this thread isn't about Bush. It's about the current White House claiming executive privilege. Could we stick to this breaking news please?

Ultimately, will the courts, as they did with Nixon/Watergate, have to decide? Is this a noble attempt to protect national security on the border? Was the President hands-on in the decision-making?

This next news cycle is going to be very entertaining and enlightening, particularly with SCOTUS handing down some decisions tomorrow.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

So Obama was first handed involved in fast and furious? Last case like this, was nixon and the watergate tapes, and we all know how the supreme court ruled then.


If the president was involved, then Obama has a week argument for executive priveledge (holder already said he didn't know about it), if Obama wasn't involved then thier is no executive priveldge....


Begs the question, WTF does Obama not want us to see?






I don't deal in jibber jabber. Bush isn't the president, nor the subject of this thread. Please for once try not to deflect to the president from almost 4 years ago, in order to give a pass to the one you like.

You seem to deal only in jibber jabber. You want to claim that the last time something like this happened was under Nixon ... is he president? No, the last time it happened -- TWICE -- was under Bush. Once it involved the AG scandal and the other time it involved the Valerie Plame scandal. Were those both admissions that of Bush's involvement? Obviously not, as the executive privilege extends to members of the executive branch -- not just the president himself.

This isn't exactly a new thing. The privilege was first asserted by George Washington.
 
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Obama can not allow the WHY of fast & fuzzy to come out. The stalling tactics, were working fine, for a year, but Obama can not let these documents get out, nor let Holder spill the beans. An order was definitely given from VERY high up in DOJ to stop ALL (federal, state and local) law enforcement from stopping the straw purchases of firearms allowed under the fast & fuzzy operation. To issue such an ILLEGAL order requires a REASON, that Obama can not let be known.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

It looks as if the contempt voting will move forward.
 
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Having skimmed Holder's request, I don't buy the argument that he needs executive privilege. Maintaining the separation of powers does not mean avoiding oversight by withholding information. His claim that the documents request by congress were created after the incident and therefor aren't relevant is not reasonable, as the after action reports are often the most useful.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

The argument, of course, is that producing the genormous number of documents that Issa has requested would jeopardize many ongoing Justice Department investigations, and violote executive privilege.

Did you attack attack Bush and his AG when they asserted executive privilege in connection with the DA scandal?

Which is PURE nonsense, as ALL the prior released documents were redacted. The what and who (outside of DOJ and WH) of fast & fuzzy is NOT important, and can easily be redacted, it is the WHY that can not be allowed to come out, and WHY can not be redacted based on "national security" needs.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

The argument, of course, is that producing the genormous number of documents that Issa has requested would jeopardize many ongoing Justice Department investigations, and violote executive privilege.

Did you attack attack Bush and his AG when they asserted executive privilege in connection with the DA scandal?

So if it was done in the past it is ok to do it today? Did you protest and complain when Bush used excecutive privilege?
No wonder WO never changes. It facinates me that the old line of well "they did it" as a defense for a questionalbe act today.

More to the point I thought Obama was going to have his administration more transparent and open. Seems that was just another promise to get votes. Could documents be released with other investigation info blacked out? What is the security clearance of the panel members?
 
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Oh, Barack....way to be transparent. Turns out you're pretty much interchangeable with the rest of 'em. Time for new leadership.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

You seem to deal only in jibber jabber. You want to claim that the last time something like this happened was under Nixon ... is he president? No, the last time it happened -- TWICE -- was under Bush. Once it involved the AG scandal and the other time it involved the Valerie Plame scandal. Were those both admissions that of Bush's involvement? Obviously not, as the executive privilege extends to members of the executive branch -- not just the president himself.

This isn't exactly a new thing. The privilege was first asserted by George Washington.



Again with the jibber jabber, what you posted has nothing to do with the topic, but jibber jabber to deflect off the current issue, cause it involves your guy. Why?
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

So if it was done in the past it is ok to do it today? Did you protest and complain when Bush used excecutive privilege?
No wonder WO never changes. It facinates me that the old line of well "they did it" as a defense for a questionalbe act today.

More to the point I thought Obama was going to have his administration more transparent and open. Seems that was just another promise to get votes. Could documents be released with other investigation info blacked out? What is the security clearance of the panel members?


It's funny, because you know he whined about stuff ad nauseum with bush, so he in attempting to out me as a hypocrite, has proven he is the hypocrite he seeks.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Again with the jibber jabber, what you posted has nothing to do with the topic, but jibber jabber to deflect off the current issue, cause it involves your guy. Why?

If just saying so made it so, you would have an excellent point. Otherwise ... not so much.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

If just saying so made it so, you would have an excellent point. Otherwise ... not so much.



Still avoiding the uncomfortable topic, I see.


Why would the president invoke privledge here? Holder stated a few months ago if he spoke to the president about FandF, Holder said "no", that means either holder is lying, or the white house is lying. either way Executive privledge seems inappropriate here on numerous levels.
 
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Oh, Barack....way to be transparent. Turns out you're pretty much interchangeable with the rest of 'em. Time for new leadership.

Agreed.

We may not learn all the facts for years, but what if Fast and Furious really was intended to lay the groundwork for gun control initiatives?
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Let's also add, Obama himself said he was unaware nor involved in fast and furious...

I wonder if holder will get the roger clemen's treatment.... :ssst:
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

If just saying so made it so, you would have an excellent point. Otherwise ... not so much.

you made a good point. Seems to apply to alot of your posts.:lol:
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Still avoiding the uncomfortable topic, I see.


Why would the president invoke privledge here? Holder stated a few months ago if he spoke to the president about FandF, Holder said "no", that means either holder is lying, or the white house is lying. either way Executive privledge seems inappropriate here on numerous levels.

As I believe I mentioned, the privilege doesn't just apply to communications with the president. There's a reason it's called the "executive" privilege, as in executive branch, and not the "presidential" privilege. Why are you ignoring what I write? Because you have no response?
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

You seem to deal only in jibber jabber. You want to claim that the last time something like this happened was under Nixon ... is he president? No, the last time it happened -- TWICE -- was under Bush. Once it involved the AG scandal and the other time it involved the Valerie Plame scandal. Were those both admissions that of Bush's involvement? Obviously not, as the executive privilege extends to members of the executive branch -- not just the president himself.

This isn't exactly a new thing. The privilege was first asserted by George Washington.

What POSSIBLE "national security" reason can be said to be related to WHO ordered the ignoring of crimes committed by the straw purchases of guns from licensed federal firearms dealers in the U.S.? Hmm...
 
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I don't deal in jibber jabber. Bush isn't the president, nor the subject of this thread. Please for once try not to deflect to the president from almost 4 years ago, in order to give a pass to the one you like.

Of course you don't deal in jibber jabber, that would prove that people that supported Bush pulling executive privalege while crying about Obama doing it are hypocrites. Wouldn't want that now would we?

I'll go on record and say that I think this excuse from Obama is bogus. That's not what I would call a transparent government.
 
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Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Ahh here's one...


Obama grants Holder request on 'Furious' documents as contempt vote looms | Fox News


If holder ****ed up, why is this administration protecting him like this? We don't want guns to get in the wrong hands is what we hear from the far left. Mr. Holder, helped put guns into "the wrong hands" and American border patrolman died because of it.


He should be held accountable, not protected.

The administration is protecting Holder IMO because he didn't screw up. He just followed orders. There are way more than just one involved, and they all have the same boss.

200+ people died, so far. Legal gun dealers were ordered to violate the law. Straw men were sent in to make purchases which were then delivered to criminals. If you or I had done this, we would long ago been subject to Arizona and Texas justice.

However, Issa issued an ultimatum. Holder called his bluff The ball is in Issa's court. I'm betting the outcome will be another ultimatum.

Politiciulm ad naseum
 
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