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Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/226]

Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Bull****!!!!! Unless you believe that Obama is really guilty in the MANY investigations Issa has conducted in the last few years. The freak has a raging hard on for Obama and will do anything to throw dirt on him.

Maybe if he and Holder cooperated, I mean actually cooperated we would know wouldn't we? What an obtuse statement.
 
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Of course they do. He is the anointed ONE and Holder is his Just-us apostle. If you doubt this you are a racist heretic.

Thank you!
 
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First of all, there is NO WAY that ONE ATF agent and a SINGLE U.S. DA in AZ were running, PUT IN CHARGE OF, an over $10 million dollar operation, in multiple locations within three states, involving hundreds (at least) of other agents in SEVERAL law enforcement organizations, federal, state and local and ALL of them just happened to lose their guns. Have these TWO geniuses given public sworn statements to that effect, that they and they alone, were calling the shots? This F&F is WAY bigger and "deeper" than something run by two peons in AZ; that is what is being covered up, as I, and many sane people, are doubtful that JUST those two guy's names are all that are mentioned in the requested documents. You KNOW this will eventually come out, just not before the election if king Barack and his court jester Holder have their way. Yes he did!

The head of ATF has been removed and the ADA in charge has been fired. Who claims that a single agent was responsible?


Here's what Holder said in his February testimony:

Washington (CNN) -- Firings and charges against Justice Department officials who oversaw the agency's flawed gun-running operation are likely to come in the next six months, Attorney General Eric Holder said Thursday.

Holder was speaking before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee on the controversial sting operation called Operation Fast and Furious.

Asked what steps he had taken since the controversy came to light 13 months ago, Holder said he is awaiting the conclusions of an internal investigation.

Regarding people found culpable in that inquiry, he said, "I can assure you those people will be removed from federal service."

Any possible charges will not be filed until the department has the evidence to get a conviction, he said at the hearing.

I would imagine the investigation would be going quicker if they weren't constantly having to respond to Issa's bull****.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

The head of ATF has been removed and the ADA in charge has been fired. Who claims that a single agent was responsible?


Here's what Holder said in his February testimony:


I would imagine the investigation would be going quicker if they weren't constantly having to respond to Issa's bull****.

So, if I was to give guns to criminals, or help others to do so, I might even get FIRED and sent home without a cookie? Much like the swift and sure "just us" that allowed Greely, the GSA party executive, to reitre. LOL

I am sure that the DOJ investigation, unlike the original F&F fiasco, requires Holder's personal, undivided attention to get done, in under 18 months. LOL
 
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So, if I was to give guns to criminals, or help others to do so, I might even get FIRED and sent home without a cookie? Much like the swift and sure "just us" that allowed Greely, the GSA party executive, to reitre. LOL

I am sure that the DOJ investigation, unlike the original F&F fiasco, requires Holder's personal, undivided attention to get done, in under 18 months. LOL

"Any possible charges will not be filed until the department has the evidence to get a conviction, he said at the hearing."
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Incorrect. The president cannot remove them if the purpose is to inject politics into criminal prosecutions. Cite that statute that says that specifically. The IG investigating the case said there was nothing illegal involved but questioned whether the removals were not politically motivated as an ethical issue.

You are absolutely trolling by ASSUMING as a matter of course that Issa is proceeding in good faith and Holder is not. It's funny how the conservatives are so focused in Holder that they don't even consider what a POS hack Issa is. Some interesting background:
Issa's job is oversight, Holder has already proven he is not proceeding in good faith by retracting statements of fact. Issa is trying to do his job to find out if there was operational knowledge of this program within the White House after repeated declarations that there is not. Hes supposed to be doing what hes doing.

Since the day Obama was elected Issa has been on a one-man Jihad to try to pin SOMETHING on the president.
Do you really think an appeal to emotion with some nasty terrorist hyperbole spin is any kind of debating tactic?


This guy is out of control and should be removed from his chairmanship.
opinions and something something. Get back to me when you have some real arguments. These are pretty bad and unconvincing.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Bull****!!!!! Unless you believe that Obama is really guilty in the MANY investigations Issa has conducted in the last few years. The freak has a raging hard on for Obama and will do anything to throw dirt on him.

And once again, Issa is the chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. It's his job to do MANY investigations. Some go nowhere and all are clean, others go the other way. I would hope whomever was the Chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform would be actively investigating the POTUS 24/7/365.

But it'd be a lot easier if Obama had kept his transparency promise. :mrgreen:
 
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"Any possible charges will not be filed until the department has the evidence to get a conviction, he said at the hearing."

Once again, that's how investigations work. And the standard has always been, [enough] "evidence to get a conviction".

Look, it can all be put to rest, or as at rest as any political scandal type issue can be, in fairly short order. Release the docs requested immediately and fully. What seems suspicious is the delay and obstruction. Especially considering, if there's nothing to implicate the administration in this, releasing all the docs will reveal the investigation as politically motivated - giving Obama much needed election season brownie points.
 
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"Any possible charges will not be filed until the department has the evidence to get a conviction, he said at the hearing."


Well, since the 'department' is gathering supposed evidence on ITSELF I won't hold my breath....We the people need an independent prosecutor.
 
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And once again, Issa is the chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. It's his job to do MANY investigations. Some go nowhere and all are clean, others go the other way. I would hope whomever was the Chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform would be actively investigating the POTUS 24/7/365.

But it'd be a lot easier if Obama had kept his transparency promise. :mrgreen:

No, it isn't his job to do many investigations. It's his job to do AS MANY investigations as the facts warrant. It isn't his job to establish a permanent war court designed to trip up the president by mucking around in every conceivable decision.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Well, since the 'department' is gathering supposed evidence on ITSELF I won't hold my breath....We the people need an independent prosecutor.

AdamT has a tendency to confuse "justice" with "just us". ;-)
 
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No, it isn't his job to do many investigations. It's his job to do AS MANY investigations as the facts warrant. It isn't his job to establish a permanent war court designed to trip up the president by mucking around in every conceivable decision.

Yep. No facts, no warrant. No brain, no headache. Yes he can!
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Well, since the 'department' is gathering supposed evidence on ITSELF I won't hold my breath....We the people need an independent prosecutor.

Um, isn't Congress responsible for investigating ITSELF?
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

No, it isn't his job to do many investigations. It's his job to do AS MANY investigations as the facts warrant. It isn't his job to establish a permanent war court designed to trip up the president by mucking around in every conceivable decision.

Since you arent the Oversight Chair, Im gathering your opinion is worth what John Nance Garner said the Vice Presidency is worth.
His job is to oversee how congressional appropriations are spent. Which covers damn near everything.

Where do you get off with these factual pronouncements? blah blargh derp herp I say its so. You ought to run for congress, you have bull****ting down cold.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Yep. No facts, no warrant. No brain, no headache. Yes he can!

Yep, 11 hearings, 8,000 pages of documents, no evidence of any WH involvement -- no CASE.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Since you arent the Oversight Chair, Im gathering your opinion is worth what John Nance Garner said the Vice Presidency is worth.
His job is to oversee how congressional appropriations are spent. Which covers damn near everything.

Where do you get off with these factual pronouncements? blah blargh derp herp I say its so. You ought to run for congress, you have bull****ting down cold.

I gather your opinion is based on your experience as Oversight Chair?
 
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I gather your opinion is based on your experience as Oversight Chair?

No, I open my mind and read before I open my mouth.

We exist to secure two fundamental principles. First, Americans have a right to know that the money Washington takes from them is well spent. And second, Americans deserve an efficient, effective government that works for them. Our duty on the Oversight and Government Reform Committee is to protect these rights.

Our solemn responsibility is to hold government accountable to taxpayers, because taxpayers have a right to know what they get from their government. We will work tirelessly, in partnership with citizen-watchdogs, to deliver the facts to the American people and bring genuine reform to the federal bureaucracy.

This is the mission of the Oversight and Government Reform Committee.


About the Watchdogs - House Committee on Oversight & Government Reform
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

I gather your opinion is based on your experience as Oversight Chair?


I believe it should be called FELON Oversight Chair as long as Issa is squatting in it.The best Oversight Koch money can buy.:2wave:
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Well, since the 'department' is gathering supposed evidence on ITSELF I won't hold my breath....We the people need an independent prosecutor.

Reich on! An independant prosecutor that is a die-hard republican! That's what we need!

An independant republican. Someone like Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity perhaps.

You know. Someone who has no lean.

Because we all know anyone who isn't a reichwinger or a tea-bagger can't be trusted.
 
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No, it isn't his job to do many investigations. It's his job to do AS MANY investigations as the facts warrant. It isn't his job to establish a permanent war court designed to trip up the president by mucking around in every conceivable decision.

You're missing what "oversight" means. The whole idea is to be constantly vigilant for possible problems - investigating to assess if they are real problems and their extent.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Yep, 11 hearings, 8,000 pages of documents, no evidence of any WH involvement -- no CASE.

That's an old tactic called "burying them in paperwork". This isn't a court of law where you have to have a case - it's an oversight function that's being obstructed.
 
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Here’s the main reason that Kochs oversight felon is on holders ass. Gotta slow down the voter registration in a few key states and what better way then the voter suppression drive.:2wave:
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Reich on! An independant prosecutor that is a die-hard republican! That's what we need!

An independant republican. Someone like Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity perhaps.

You know. Someone who has no lean.

Because we all know anyone who isn't a reichwinger or a tea-bagger can't be trusted.

Uhhhh, you do know it's Holder (D) that appoints the special prosecutor, right? Guess you didn't.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

That's an old tactic called "burying them in paperwork". This isn't a court of law where you have to have a case - it's an oversight function that's being obstructed.

And around and round we go.... Maybe the courts will decide. Maybe the OIG investigation will clear it up. Otherwise we're both just guessing.
 
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Reich on! An independant prosecutor that is a die-hard republican! That's what we need!
Nobody is saying a hand picked independent counsel that I have seen, actually that would be a contradiction in terms. What IS needed is an independent counsel that can look at the facts at hand and decide whether prosecution is warranted or not. You have to admit Cap that the administration is engaging in awfully fishy behavior. As many have pointed out, myself included, we want the same standard that we would be held to applied for this federal action. I may not knowingly supply any type of weapon for commission or possible commission of a crime nor may I transfer in any way to someone who is a known criminal under federal law. This is exactly what has been done under the F&F program and for suspect reasons, it is only proper that someone be held fully accountable.

An independant republican. Someone like Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity perhaps.
Simply someone who will uphold the law.

You know. Someone who has no lean.
Not possible, but someone with integrity not affiliated with the DOJ would be a great start.
Because we all know anyone who isn't a reichwinger or a tea-bagger can't be trusted.
You are better than the ad homs CA, much better.
 
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