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Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/226]

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[...] Wide reciever and F&F were separate programs with different operational knowledge (the Mexican government knew about WR, WR was shut down when the first weapon crossed the Mexican border and could not be tracked). [...]
:lamo "The vast majority of the guns were eventually lost as they moved into Mexico."
 
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Yet wide receiver and F&F were both operated out of the same ATF office.Kinda odd don't you think?:roll:
But-but-but Republicans were in the White House, that makes it d-i-f-f-e-r-e-n-t :lamo
 
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When the smoke clears, everyone will eventually realize that the precedent set in both In re Sealed Case (Espy) and Judicial Watch v. Department of Justice show that Executive Privilege doesn't apply.

No amount of hand wringing will change that.
 
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Wikipedia - a non-partisan source of accurate information.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

None of us know about the majority of stuff talked about on these forums. Which I am sure includes some of your 10K+ posts.

Without a doubt. By my own admission. How's that for honesty?

I have been regarded as many things in my 10K history here but dishonesty is not one of them. (With the exception of the forum kooks, known by all, who call anyone who disagrees with them "dishonest" .)
 
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:lamo

Come on guys, put down the Kool Aid; this is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Cmon....Wikipedia? Really.
 
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Yeah, about as legitimate as this Issa lynch mob.

It's not often people actually support the government being secretive but that seems to be the case in the United States today. Many support more transparency in government but those who support a closed government will probably have their way, today and in years to come.
 
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:lamo

Come on guys, put down the Kool Aid; this is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Except you're using blanks and can't shoot for sh!t.
 
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:lamo "The vast majority of the guns were eventually lost as they moved into Mexico."

Look at it this way, with the success [sarcasm] of the first one, Holder decided to do it again, only his got folks killed. Thanks for pointing out the Obama admin ressurected a terrible program, and made it worse.
 
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Look at it this way, with the success [sarcasm] of the first one, Holder decided to do it again, [...]
The falsehoods from the right are coming fast and furious . . . . . . :2razz:
 
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The falsehoods from the right are coming fast and furious . . . . . . :2razz:

And what part is false?

On October 26, 2009, a teleconference was held at the Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. to discuss U.S. strategy for combating Mexican drug cartels. Participating in the meeting were Deputy Attorney General David W. Ogden, Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer, ATF Director Kenneth E. Melson, Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Administrator Michele Leonhart, Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation Robert Mueller and the top federal prosecutors in the Southwestern border states. They decided on a strategy to identify and eliminate entire arms trafficking networks rather than low-level buyers.[3][27][28] Those at the meeting did not suggest using the "gunwalking" tactic, but ATF supervisors would soon use it in an attempt to achieve the desired goals.[29] The effort, beginning in November, would come to be called Operation Fast and Furious for the successful film franchise, because some of the suspects under investigation operated out of an auto repair store and street raced.[3]

Source

Are you seriously saying the DOJ had nothing to do with Fast and Furious? Or that F&F started under this admin?
 
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Ok, so...why the executive privilege? It was testified to earlier in the proceedings that the DoJ leadership and the Whitehouse were unaware of F&F. If this is true, then executive privilege simply can not be used. Since it is being used, I think it safe to assume that someone was lieing earlier in testimony.

For the record, Wide Reciever's existence has no bearing on F&F in regards to who knew about it (and lied about it).
 
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And what part is false? [...]
The part in bold. That's why I made it bold. To indicate the part I was talking about. It's called 'highlighting'. It's used to indicate a particular section of text that is being referred to. Would you like me to provide some links on the history and use of hifglighting?
 
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The part in bold. That's why I made it bold. To indicate the part I was talking about. It's called 'highlighting'. It's used to indicate a particular section of text that is being referred to. Would you like me to provide some links on the history and use of hifglighting?

No need to be nasty, just didn't notice it. Hey, I'm old and sight is the third thing to go :mrgreen:.

So Holder didn't pull the trigger, are you seriously saying he wasn't aware of the program?
 
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The part in bold. That's why I made it bold. To indicate the part I was talking about. It's called 'highlighting'. It's used to indicate a particular section of text that is being referred to. Would you like me to provide some links on the history and use of hifglighting?

Then what's the executive privilege about?
 
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Ok, so...why the executive privilege? [...]
Have you read Holder's letter to Obama?

If not, I'd think it would answer your question:

[...]as the head of the Department of Justice, I respectfully request that you assert executive privilege over the identified documents. This letter sets forth the basis for my legal judgment that you may properly do so.

READ: Attorney General Eric Holder’s Letter to President Obama Requesting Executive Privilege Over ‘Fast and Furious’ Documents | Fox News Insider
 
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No need to be nasty, just didn't notice it. Hey, I'm old and sight is the third thing to go :mrgreen:.

So Holder didn't pull the trigger, are you seriously saying he wasn't aware of the program?
I said that your claim was a falsehood. Since you concur, our interaction on that matter is concluded.
 
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Have you read Holder's letter to Obama?

If not, I'd think it would answer your question:

Like I said, the only way that the "Documents in Question" are protected under Executive Privilege, is if they concern the actions and communications of the President himself. That doesn't extend to the entire Executive branch, which includes most of the organs of the federal government.
 
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Like I said, the only way that the "Documents in Question" are protected under Executive Privilege, is if they concern the actions and communications of the President himself. That doesn't extend to the entire Executive branch, which includes most of the organs of the federal government.

are you wanting us to believe the staff of the executive branch do not work at the direction of the Executive
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

The argument, of course, is that producing the genormous number of documents that Issa has requested would jeopardize many ongoing Justice Department investigations, and violote executive privilege.

Did you attack attack Bush and his AG when they asserted executive privilege in connection with the DA scandal?

What happen to transparency? Hmmm?
 
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What happen to transparency? Hmmm?

It will just have to wait until after king Barrack's next, and final, inaguration. Yes he did! ;-)
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Another gift to Romney from the gift that keeps on giving Hussein Obama........There is no question this guy is grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory..........
 
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are you wanting us to believe the staff of the executive branch do not work at the direction of the Executive

No, in fact, I'm wanting you to believe that they do. And...he is responsible for them. He can't claim that he didn't know about it; Holder can't claim he didn't know about it; and invoke EP. :shrug:

That's exactly the point.
 
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Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

There are committees within Congress that have access to classified information on a daily basis. Starting with the 104th Congress, all House members were required to take a secrecy oath. There are methods in place to allow the committee members to view the information without releasing it to the public. If they violate their oath and responsibilities then hold them accountable. As it currently stands it too easy to hide misdoings under the veil of operational secrecy.

Classified information comes in many levels. Operational details against a campaign against the cartel is probably amongst the information you need to be the very most careful with. People in the DOJ who have access to that kind of information get years of training, they only keep it in physical files in ultra secure facilities or ultra secure computer systems that are not connected to the outside world in any way. The DOJ never releases the names of anybody who has access to that kind of information. If you just hand it over to a Congressional committee, literally, unpaid 19 year old interns get access to it, and the cartel would know every one of their names because it is all public record. Congresspeople have no training, no secure bunkers to keep their files in, just normal office computers hooked up to the internet...

Now, some times information that highly secure has been shared with Congresspeople. For example, leading up to the Iraq war, Bush brought in one senator and one representative from each party to much more secure briefings on some of the most secret stuff. Obama brought in members of both parties on the Bin Laden killing. But, that is a VERY different thing than this. Who those folks are is carefully negotiated by the parties and the administration. They're usually moderates. They're people that everybody trusts. They often, if not always, have had a top security clearance in the relevant area previously for some reason or another because they were in the military or the DOJ or something previously. I mean, if you want to, say, send in McCain and Kerry to review the documents, I'd be totally fine with that.

But Issa is a whole different deal. He is not John McCain. He's a hothead. He's a Joe McCarthy. A scandalmaker. That's his schtick. Trying to manufacture scandals for the conspiracy nuts. Nobody trusts him, nor should they. Turning ultra sensitive information over to a guy like that would get a lot of people killed for no reason other than to fuel his headline grabbing spasm. And turning it over to a whole committee, that should never happen.
 
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