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Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/226]

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Liberal asshat tries to blame GWB... that didnt take long

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/06/sheila-jackson-lee-blames-bush-for-fast-and-furious-video/


now double that with this.. and prepare to see an new level of hypocrisy...

now maybe thats Obamas easy way out.. to have Hodler resign and Obama can look like a hero
who knows but something reaks

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/06/flashback-obama-called-on-bush-ag-gonzalez-to-resign-video/
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
[...] If holder ****ed up, why is this administration protecting him like this? We don't want guns to get in the wrong hands is what we hear from the far left. Mr. Holder, helped put guns into "the wrong hands" and American border patrolman died because of it.

He should be held accountable, not protected.
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Nice propaganda. Did you create it yourself?

ReverendHellh0und said:
[...] if Obama wasn't involved then thier is no executive priveldge.... [...]
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Clueless. Even Fox had to debunk that claim :shock:
 
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Karl said:
Nice propaganda. Did you create it yourself?


Clueless. Even Fox had to debunk that claim :shock:
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/facepalm Do we ever hold this administration and this justice department accountable?>
 
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AdamT said:
LOL

So the rule is that you can talk about other presidents and operations but I can't. :2rofll:

What is there to say about F&F? It was a botched operation. The guy who was in charge has resigned. Life goes on and there are much more important things to worry about. This is a political witch hunt.
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Who has resigned? Are you referring to Ronald Welch? As far as I know he's not leaving until his new job is ready as Dean of the University of Baltimore Law School next month. His reward for lying to Congress.
 
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AdamT said:
As I've said, probably a dozen times in various threads, the operation was obviously a screwup. That isn't excusing it.

So the family of the agent agrees with your feigned outrage. :shrug:
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Indeed it was a screw up, over 200 dead and no tough gun control got called for. Oh well, Obama still gets to look presidential and the press is no longer looking at the economy. Obama is VERY good at campaigning, just not so good at governing. Now congress looks stupid, so they will get all mad and mean, making Obama look cool, calm and presidential by comparison. Yes he did!
 
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iguanaman said:
Would you be as upset if we sold them pea shooters? I think not .It was guns and they are the problem. There are too many guns here and if we had gun control criminals would not come here to buy them. Isn't that what you are in such a tizzy about? Criminals buying guns and killing people with them? It happens every day in America, but only this incident bothers you?
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You really can't be this ignorant can you? Look up the 1968 gun control act the see how much more easily guns were to get prior to this.

This has nothing to do with guns in and of themselves, but with this administration breaking the very laws the profess to uphold in their zeal to further their well known bias against private gun ownership. Apparently you have no problem with this hence your bad attempts at deflection.
 
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AdamT said:
As I've said, probably a dozen times in various threads, the operation was obviously a screwup. That isn't excusing it.

So the family of the agent agrees with your feigned outrage. :shrug:
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There's nothing "feigned" about the outrage of Agent Terry's mother. She was interviewed on talk radio this morning in Philadelphia. She wants all Americans to know the truth about her son's death.

Mother of murdered Border Patrol agent speaks out - Yahoo! News
 
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mtlhdtodd said:
You really can't be this ignorant can you? Look up the 1968 gun control act the see how much more easily guns were to get prior to this.

This has nothing to do with guns in and of themselves, but with this administration breaking the very laws the profess to uphold in their zeal to further their well known bias against private gun ownership. Apparently you have no problem with this hence your bad attempts at deflection.
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So this is about "bias against private gun ownership" OK. What proof is there of that or is it just the typical paranoia that owning guns seems to impart?
 
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iguanaman said:
So this is about "bias against private gun ownership" OK. What proof is there of that or is it just the typical paranoia that owning guns seems to impart?
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In the documents that Holder has refused to provide?
 
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iguanaman said:
So this is about "bias against private gun ownership" OK. What proof is there of that or is it just the typical paranoia that owning guns seems to impart?
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Right here Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations - CBS News Investigates - CBS News

Now go read the rest of the investigative articles by her and you might begin to understand but I'm not holding my breath.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
I am a libertarian, and your argument, isn't worthy of a response, sorry.
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Sure it isn't. You just don't like what I said, but that's alright. I expect it from you.
 
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Texmex said:
Sure it isn't. You just don't like what I said, but that's alright. I expect it from you.
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I suggest you lay off the insults. anything on the topic? seems like none of you really want to address this new development.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
/facepalm Do we ever hold this administration and this justice department accountable?>
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Evidently, only when it is a democratic administration, according to you!
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
I suggest you lay off the insults. anything on the topic? seems like none of you really want to address this new development.
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What insult? Don't resort to lying to cover your ass.
 
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AdamT said:
Hey, why should we even try to stop the guns from walking? It's not like the US has been the source of 68,000 guns that have been discovered in cartel custody or anything. Oh way a minute ... it IS like that. :roll:

ATF: 68,000 guns in Mexico traced to U.S. - The Washington Post
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Nice DISTORTED presentation, as usual. 68K guns out of how many total guns (NOT total "tracable" guns), and over how many years? The trick used with gov't gun stats is that, say Mexico recovers 100 guns, used in crimes ASSUMED to be cartel related in Mexico; out of those 100 guns, 50 are "tracable" i.e. have serial numbers intact, of that 50 then, say 30 are from the U.S.; The headline then reads "60% of Mexican cartel guns traced were from the U.S." rather than reality of 30% of the MAYBE cartel guns found in Mexico were from the U.S. Notice also it says guns MADE IN or imported to the U.S., obviously all guns MADE IN the U.S. were not sold in the U.S., which further inflates the gov't stats. The same article could have had this headline: "Nearly 1/3 of the U.S. guns found in Mexico in 2010 were supplied by Fast & Furious observed buyers". ;-)
 
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Texmex said:
Not dishonest, just an observation.
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Anything on the topic or is it just going to be what you can make up about me here? Seriously, the house has approved a contempt of congress charge, do you agree with that or do you want to just hurl insults?
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Ahh here's one...


Obama grants Holder request on 'Furious' documents as contempt vote looms | Fox News


If holder ****ed up, why is this administration protecting him like this? We don't want guns to get in the wrong hands is what we hear from the far left. Mr. Holder, helped put guns into "the wrong hands" and American border patrolman died because of it.


He should be held accountable, not protected.
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1. You're coming from an angle that assumes Holder is guilty of something. If we look at what we know, it's very hard to draw any conclusions at this point. it really depends on if you believe that Holder is attempting to cooperate or if Issa is telling the truth and Holder is not.

2. Likelihood of contempt vote rises as Issa, AG Holder fail to reach agreement on documents - The Washington Post

According to Holder, the justice department has already handed over 7600 pages to Issa and is willing to hand over 1300 more if Issa would agree that those 1300 more pages would satisfy a subpena made by Issa's committee. It makes it seem as though this executive privelage thing is to stop the ridiculous witch hunt that Issa has started. Sounds completely fair to me. It also sounds that if all that is true, that they have been more transparent than any other administration I've heard of.

3. Issa claims he has received no documents and that Holder said he would hand over the documents if Issa agreed to drop the investigation completely. Sounds like, if all this is true, Issa is completely correct in calling for trying to hold Holder in contempt.

The real problem stems that we don't know where the truth lies. Could be that one of them is making a bald faced lie, could be that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. What I'm not going to do is assume, as many here have done, and what this entire thread is based off of, that I know exactly what has happened and I was blessed by God with the powers reading minds.
 
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AdamT said:
Yes, internal, and I don't know where you posted a cite.
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Here's more. By Judge Andrew Napolitano:

President Obama, Attorney General Holder and executive privilege

The claim of executive privilege, made by the president to keep testimony or documents from compelled revelation, is not an absolute one. Thus, the claim must state the basis for its invocation. In US v. Nixon (1974), the Supreme Court decision that came just two weeks before, and arguably precipitated, President Nixon’s resignation from the presidency, the Court articulated the only three constitutionally permissible bases for the presidential claim of executive privilege.

The only bases for the invocation of the privilege are the need to protect secret deliberations and communications intended ultimately for the president that pertain to (a) military, or (b) diplomatic, or (c) sensitive national security matters. Just because two or more people in the White House discussed a matter or reviewed documents does not clothe their discussion or their document review with executive privilege. The conversation or document review must be integral to advising the president on his official duties, and it must fit into one or more of (a) or (b) or (c) above.

The invocation of the privilege can only be made by the president himself. Thus, President Obama will need to articulate and explain into which category--(a) or (b) or (c) above--his claim of privilege falls, and he will need to do so personally, either in person or in writing. The mere request by the attorney general for the president to invoke the privilege does not lawfully invoke it. As of this writing, the president has not yet done this.


Read more: President Obama, Attorney General Holder and executive privilege | Fox News
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As indicated, Obama and Holder are full of ****.
 
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roughdraft274 said:
1. You're coming from an angle that assumes Holder is guilty of something. If we look at what we know, it's very hard to draw any conclusions at this point. it really depends on if you believe that Holder is attempting to cooperate or if Issa is telling the truth and Holder is not.

2. Likelihood of contempt vote rises as Issa, AG Holder fail to reach agreement on documents - The Washington Post

According to Holder, the justice department has already handed over 7600 pages to Issa and is willing to hand over 1300 more if Issa would agree that those 1300 more pages would satisfy a subpena made by Issa's committee. It makes it seem as though this executive privelage thing is to stop the ridiculous witch hunt that Issa has started. Sounds completely fair to me. It also sounds that if all that is true, that they have been more transparent than any other administration I've heard of.

3. Issa claims he has received no documents and that Holder said he would hand over the documents if Issa agreed to drop the investigation completely. Sounds like, if all this is true, Issa is completely correct in calling for trying to hold Holder in contempt.

The real problem stems that we don't know where the truth lies. Could be that one of them is making a bald faced lie, could be that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. What I'm not going to do is assume, as many here have done, and what this entire thread is based off of, that I know exactly what has happened and I was blessed by God with the powers reading minds.
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This is nonsense. A DoJ IG has been on this for over 8 months The second one, as a matter of fact, as switching them allowed more delay. But despite assurances, no interim report has been issued. Nothing. Further, that IG has access to the 80K documents, but they are being witheld from the Committee.

Congress has every right to be tired of waiting to fulfill its Constitutionally authorized function. There's no lie by Issa. There's no documents provided.

And now we have an attempt by Obama to block the documents. So easy a caveman could figure it out. Executive Privilege is not invoked out of fear of a "witch hunt". That is absurd .......... but then, that's liberal.
 
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roughdraft274 said:
1. You're coming from an angle that assumes Holder is guilty of something. If we look at what we know, it's very hard to draw any conclusions at this point. it really depends on if you believe that Holder is attempting to cooperate or if Issa is telling the truth and Holder is not.

2. Likelihood of contempt vote rises as Issa, AG Holder fail to reach agreement on documents - The Washington Post

According to Holder, the justice department has already handed over 7600 pages to Issa and is willing to hand over 1300 more if Issa would agree that those 1300 more pages would satisfy a subpena made by Issa's committee. It makes it seem as though this executive privelage thing is to stop the ridiculous witch hunt that Issa has started. Sounds completely fair to me. It also sounds that if all that is true, that they have been more transparent than any other administration I've heard of.

3. Issa claims he has received no documents and that Holder said he would hand over the documents if Issa agreed to drop the investigation completely. Sounds like, if all this is true, Issa is completely correct in calling for trying to hold Holder in contempt.

The real problem stems that we don't know where the truth lies. Could be that one of them is making a bald faced lie, could be that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. What I'm not going to do is assume, as many here have done, and what this entire thread is based off of, that I know exactly what has happened and I was blessed by God with the powers reading minds.
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So in otherwords, we'll hand over 1300 more, not all of them but 1300 more if you agree to close the investigation.... ****, I'll remember that tactic the next time I fight a speeding ticket in court. /facepalm
 
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I'm thinking, if the President actually does come out of hiding on this one and actually writes the letter claiming EP, that he'll choose B (diplomatic reasons). But I'm still not convinced he'll do anything more than delay, delay, delay until after the election. If he can't delay, he'll offer up Holder as the goat.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Anything on the topic or is it just going to be what you can make up about me here? Seriously, the house has approved a contempt of congress charge, do you agree with that or do you want to just hurl insults?
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I will answer when you show me where I insulted you.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
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Bigger article coming as this just happened.
i find it amazing how this administration is avoiding the government process to investigate the fast and furious debacle. Given this move, I am curious as to the opinions of others on this matter.
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It's rarely, if ever, good when this sort of thing happens.
 
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