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Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/226]

Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

ReverendHellh0und said:
That's pretty asinine. The Government illegaly sold guns to criminals. This thread isn;t about hoplophobia either, why is it you all want to talk about everything else other than the topic?
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Yep, just as they did in Wide Receiver. And of course they lost track of the guns in both cases.
 
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AdamT said:
Yep, just as they did in Wide Receiver. And of course they lost track of the guns in both cases.
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Deflect, deflect, deflect, will you ever be discussing this case, and the invokement of the executive privledge or is it "but but the last guy did it too" an excuse enough for you? How many died under wide reciever, and when did "gunwalking" start?
 
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Texmex said:
I don't think you should supply gangs guns, but you know that they will get them anyway.

BTW, I thought the right-wing mantra was, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people."
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I am a libertarian, and your argument, isn't worthy of a response, sorry.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
What? That is the entire reason for this fast & fuzzy cover-up. Obama wants NO guns sold, tighter gun sale restrictions would certainly have "prevented" these sales, as they would prevent ALL U.S. private gun sales.
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Come on, Dude; take off the tinfoil hat.
 
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iguanaman said:
Would you be as upset if we sold them pea shooters? I think not .It was guns and they are the problem. There are too many guns here and if we had gun control criminals would not come here to buy them. Isn't that what you are in such a tizzy about? Criminals buying guns and killing people with them? It happens every day in America, but only this incident bothers you?
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A tizzy? I am still waiting for one of you to actually discuss the topic, not your cause du jour. Why are you happy that a border patrol agent was killed because holder's justice department's FandF operation.

Why are you happy with the coverup?
 
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rocket88 said:
As has been pointed out, Bush invoked EP on Valerie Plame and Scooter Libby. He escaped articles of impeachment, so Obama can probably escape that.
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Couple of things, and please ladies and gents, this is about Obama/Holder/Gunrunning. Scooter Libby got busted on a process crime, perjury, he didn't have anything to do with the Plame leak, that was Richard Armitage. Plame's covert status was suspect, from what I understand she was a desk agent and thus not protected under the statute in question.

Now, Armitage/Libby/Bush/Cheney/Gonzales have nothing to do with the operation in question. They tried a gunrunning operation with more accountability that they canceled due to loss of effective control. Holder and the feds half-assed a new version for suspect reasons and it failed both predictably and miserably. Had there been any kind of cooperation on the matter this would probably be a quarter of the issue it is currently, as it stands this is a major cluster**** and should it go further has the possibility to become an impeachable offense with potential criminal charges.
 
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iguanaman said:
Would you be as upset if we sold them pea shooters? I think not .It was guns and they are the problem. There are too many guns here and if we had gun control criminals would not come here to buy them. Isn't that what you are in such a tizzy about? Criminals buying guns and killing people with them? It happens every day in America, but only this incident bothers you?
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Bull. If the NRA had purchased the guns using an FFLIII license it wouldn't be a problem, these guns were sold to CRIMINALS, to be assumed for use in CRIMINAL acts, which for anyone else would be an aiding and abetting charge.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Deflect, deflect, deflect, will you ever be discussing this case, and the invokement of the executive privledge or is it "but but the last guy did it too" an excuse enough for you? How many died under wide reciever, and when did "gunwalking" start?
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LOL

So the rule is that you can talk about other presidents and operations but I can't. :2rofll:

What is there to say about F&F? It was a botched operation. The guy who was in charge has resigned. Life goes on and there are much more important things to worry about. This is a political witch hunt.
 
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AdamT said:
LOL

So the rule is that you can talk about other presidents and operations but I can't. :2rofll:

What is there to say about F&F? It was a botched operation. The guy who was in charge has resigned. Life goes on and there are much more important things to worry about. This is a political witch hunt.
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So, trying to find out what happened, and give closure to the border agent is a "witch hunt" to you? I'm sorry, 200 dead, 2000 guns unaccounted for and a dead border patrol agent. Now hiding documents, and claiming executive privledge for something he suposedly had no knowledge of is a "witch hunt"?

I'm sorry, I disagree, as I bet the family of the dead officer would probably. It's amazing how you excuse criminal activity because it's "your guy" here.
 
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clownboy said:
Wow, they just stepped in it up to their knees! By invoking EP Obama is virtually admitting he had something to do with the operation. I mean, really, the buck stopped at Holder before and it was a reach to get to Obama. But not now. He could very well see articles of impeachment on this one.
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What? These inept, congressional morons could not even get that lowly weasel, Greely, the GSA million dollar, party animal; he just blew them off, took the fifth, never came back to finish playing "congressional hearing" and quietly reitired (enjoying a nice six-figure, annual gov't retirement, for life). Congress does not scare Obama, he actually loves the talking points being turned away from the economy. Obama WANTS to have congress look mean and nutty, that makes him look cool, calm and presidential, by comparison. Yes he did!
 
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Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

I would love to offer an opinion, however, I will be the first to admit that all I know about the affair is no more than any of you guys know.

I bet I'm the only person on this thread honest enough to admit that.

Don't ever let me be the one who stops anyone here from shooting off their mouth about things they actually know little or nothing about. That would make for a very dull forum.

But, that being said, don't ever take me as one who is gullible enough to swallow their bull****. I already know they don't know their butt from a hole in the ground.
 
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Captain America said:
I would love to offer an opinion, however, I will be the first to admit that all I know about the affair is no more than any of you guys know.

I bet I'm the only person on this thread honest enough to admit that.

Don't ever let me be the one who stops anyone here from shooting off their mouth about things they actually know little or nothing about. That would make for a very dull forum.

But, that being said, don't ever take me as one who is gullible enough to swallow their bull****. I already know they don't know their butt from a hole in the ground.
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I am not sure of your point.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
So, trying to find out what happened, and give closure to the border agent is a "witch hunt" to you? I'm sorry, 200 dead, 2000 guns unaccounted for and a dead border patrol agent. Now hiding documents, and claiming executive privledge for something he suposedly had no knowledge of is a "witch hunt"?

I'm sorry, I disagree, as I bet the family of the dead officer would probably. It's amazing how you excuse criminal activity because it's "your guy" here.
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I never have excused it. It's amazing how you will twist absolutely anything to try and make Obama look bad.

As far as what happened -- we know what happened. Engaging in a pathetic political fishing expedition isn't going to bring the agent back to life. If it was my relative I'd be furious that the right is trying to use his death to score political points. Disgusting.
 
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Captain America said:
I would love to offer an opinion, however, I will be the first to admit that all I know about the affair is no more than any of you guys know.

I bet I'm the only person on this thread honest enough to admit that.

Don't ever let me be the one who stops anyone here from shooting off their mouth about things they actually know little or nothing about. That would make for a very dull forum.

But, that being said, don't ever take me as one who is gullible enough to swallow their bull****. I already know they don't know their butt from a hole in the ground.
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None of us know about the majority of stuff talked about on these forums. Which I am sure includes some of your 10K+ posts.
 
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AdamT said:
I never have excused it. It's amazing how you will twist absolutely anything to try and make Obama look bad.

As far as what happened -- we know what happened. Engaging in a pathetic political fishing expedition isn't going to bring the agent back to life. If it was my relative I'd be furious that the right is trying to use his death to score political points. Disgusting.
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So you claim you don't excuse it, then you call it a "fishing expedition", if that's not "Excusing it" what is it then?


And as for the family of the dead border patrol agent, they disagree with your feigned outrage.


Brian Terry family
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

ReverendHellh0und said:
So you claim you don't excuse it, then you call it a "fishing expedition", if that's not "Excusing it" what is it then?


And as for the family of the dead border patrol agent, they disagree with your feigned outrage.


Brian Terry family
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Of course you have some proof that if those guns didn't walk, that agent would still be alive? I'de love to see it.
Personally those 2000 guns seem like a drop in the bucket compared to the 100s of thousands already in criminal hands.
 
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Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

ReverendHellh0und said:
So you claim you don't excuse it, then you call it a "fishing expedition", if that's not "Excusing it" what is it then?


And as for the family of the dead border patrol agent, they disagree with your feigned outrage.


Brian Terry family
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As I've said, probably a dozen times in various threads, the operation was obviously a screwup. That isn't excusing it.

So the family of the agent agrees with your feigned outrage. :shrug:
 
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iguanaman said:
Of course you have some proof that if those guns didn't walk, that agent would still be alive? I'de love to see it.
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/facepalm


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AdamT said:
As I've said, probably a dozen times in various threads, the operation was obviously a screwup. That isn't excusing it.
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Then you should support the investigation that both the justice department and the wh are activley covering up.,



So the family of the agent agrees with your feigned outrage. :shrug:
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yes, those agent's familie members how dare they be outrage over the emporer's coverup. :roll:
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

ReverendHellh0und said:
So, trying to find out what happened, and give closure to the border agent is a "witch hunt" to you? I'm sorry, 200 dead, 2000 guns unaccounted for and a dead border patrol agent. Now hiding documents, and claiming executive privledge for something he suposedly had no knowledge of is a "witch hunt"?

I'm sorry, I disagree, as I bet the family of the dead officer would probably. It's amazing how you excuse criminal activity because it's "your guy" here.
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I agree that fast & fuzzy was (and is) an impeachable offense. But Obama is playing it perfectly, let Holder stall for over a year, then let Holder off the hook, by making his presidential "executive privilege" decree, since Holder has now been ORDERED, by the POTUS, to not comply with congress. Brilliant! Thus Obama is calling the bluff of congress, they can either try to impeach him, or go pound sand, as all other options are gone; except for MAYBE appointing a "special prosecutor", but that is very unlikely, since it would take until LONG after the election for anything to actually happen. Yes he did!
 
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iguanaman said:
Of course you have some proof that if those guns didn't walk, that agent would still be alive? I'de love to see it.
Personally those 2000 guns seem like a drop in the bucket compared to the 100s of thousands already in criminal hands.
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Hey, why should we even try to stop the guns from walking? It's not like the US has been the source of 68,000 guns that have been discovered in cartel custody or anything. Oh way a minute ... it IS like that. :roll:

ATF: 68,000 guns in Mexico traced to U.S. - The Washington Post
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

AdamT said:
All executive branch communications are potentially priveleged -- that's just the way it is.
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Not internal DoJ. See the SCOTUS from my earlier link.
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
Not internal DoJ. See the SCOTUS from my earlier link.
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Yes, internal, and I don't know where you posted a cite.
 
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