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Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/226]

Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Translation What Adam is saying - blah blah blah blah blah Bush did it also. Blah blah blah blah I love Obama so much I want to bow down before him and lick the dirt between his toes. Blah blah blah blah bloah Bush did it twice so quit saying bad things about Obama. Blah blah blah blah you're all just racists blah blah blah.

Translation: Adam blah blah blah Adam yada yada yada.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Translation What Adam is saying - blah blah blah blah blah Bush did it also. Blah blah blah blah I love Obama so much I want to bow down before him and lick the dirt between his toes. Blah blah blah blah bloah Bush did it twice so quit saying bad things about Obama. Blah blah blah blah you're all just racists blah blah blah.

Post of the Year... thank you..
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

you will note the difference is this is all between presidential communications, both Obama and holder are on record that the WH was not involved in FandF, furthermore, this is justice department docs, not wh docs... Huge difference.


Itsa ****ing fishing expedition. you know it, the felon knows it, the only one that doesn't know it has his head in his ***.:roll:
 
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Having skimmed Holder's request, I don't buy the argument that he needs executive privilege. Maintaining the separation of powers does not mean avoiding oversight by withholding information. His claim that the documents request by congress were created after the incident and therefor aren't relevant is not reasonable, as the after action reports are often the most useful.

That would be for Congress to decide, not Holder.
 
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... he said, still failing to grasp that the executive privilege extends to the exeutive branch and not just the WH ... and that the Justice Department is part of the executive branch....

YOU keep dodging the question; what "national security" reason could possibly exist for not saying WHO allowed fast & fuzzy and WHY?
 
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Presumably Republicans will now agree that they cannot proceed with a contempt action against Holder....

Bush administration officials unveiled a bold new assertion of executive authority yesterday in the dispute over the firing of nine U.S. attorneys, saying that the Justice Department will never be allowed to pursue contempt charges initiated by Congress against White House officials once the president has invoked executive privilege.

The position presents serious legal and political obstacles for congressional Democrats, who have begun laying the groundwork for contempt proceedings against current and former White House officials in order to pry loose information about the dismissals.

Under federal law, a statutory contempt citation by the House or Senate must be submitted to the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, "whose duty it shall be to bring the matter before the grand jury for its action."

But administration officials argued yesterday that Congress has no power to force a U.S. attorney to pursue contempt charges in cases, such as the prosecutor firings, in which the president has declared that testimony or documents are protected from release by executive privilege. Officials pointed to a Justice Department legal opinion during the Reagan administration, which made the same argument in a case that was never resolved by the courts.

"A U.S. attorney would not be permitted to bring contempt charges or convene a grand jury in an executive privilege case," said a senior official, who said his remarks reflect a consensus within the administration. "And a U.S. attorney wouldn't be permitted to argue against the reasoned legal opinion that the Justice Department provided. No one should expect that to happen."


Bush Proclaims Unlimited Executive Privilege Powers
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

YOU keep dodging the question; what "national security" reason could possibly exist for not saying WHO allowed fast & fuzzy and WHY?

Obviously I can't know without seeing the documents, can I? It's rather pointless to engage in a guessing game.
 
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Are you trying to suggest that the Justice Department isn't a part of the executive branch? :lol:

But to your suggestion that never in the history of the US has the president had the AUDACITY to assert executive privilege over JUSTICE DEPARTMENT documnents.... :failpail:


Justice department, is not the WH, The fail is all yours....


Defend your god king at all costs.... eh?


... for one.




You are stuck on bush, give Obama a pass, what do you expect me to do with this jibber jabber?
 
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The argument, of course, is that producing the genormous number of documents that Issa has requested would jeopardize many ongoing Justice Department investigations, and violote executive privilege.

Did you attack attack Bush and his AG when they asserted executive privilege in connection with the DA scandal?


Thank you for agreeing that Obama = W. Bush. But then, Obama is related to Dick Cheney so it was expected and why the powers-that-be establishment backed Obama as who would maintain the status quo - though using opposite words while doing so.
 
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Itsa ****ing fishing expedition. you know it, the felon knows it, the only one that doesn't know it has his head in his ***.:roll:




Ahh yes, defend your god king at all costs....


200 people dead, 2000 guns purposefully given to criminals, one border patrol agent dead, and you call it a "fishing expedition".... Kinda pathetic dude.
 
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Obama is complicit..I think all actions tell us that..
 
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Obviously I can't know without seeing the documents, can I? It's rather pointless to engage in a guessing game.

LOL. Great logic! Obama does not want us to know, so it is assumed to be related to a national security matter, so sensitive, that Obama can not even tell congress what it is about? Yes he did!
 
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Just think if Bush was the President and exerted this type of executive privilege to cover up a crime. I can just see what CNN and MSNBC would be saying. CNN is busy sugar coating Obama's latest executive action as we speak.

You mean like this?

WASHINGTON — President Bush invoked executive privilege to keep Congress from seeing the FBI report of an interview with Vice President Dick Cheney and other records related to the administration's leak of CIA operative Valerie Plame's identity in 2003.

Bush Claims Executive Privilege In Valerie Plame Leak
 
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what American died during the BOGUS Plame clownery?..and GWB was dragged threw the mud over and over on this trumped up hunk of BS of a case and Scooter is in jail nad everyone knew she was not covert, and it was Armmitage..that was pure Dem ankle biting for show.. GWB was correct in trying to flush it down the sewer as it was a NON story

Here Holder LIED... and he did the lying for Obama.. this is HUGE..and an American died
 
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Justice department, is not the WH, The fail is all yours....

Obviously you can't comprehend the fact that the executive privilege doesn't just encompass WH communications. Not much I can do about that. :shrug:
 
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what American died during the BOGUS Plame clownery?..and GWB was dragged threw the mud over and over on this trumped up hunk of BS of a case and Scooter is in jail nad everyone knew she was not covert, and it was Armmitage..that was pure Dem ankle biting for show.. GWB was correct in trying to flush it down the sewer as it was a NON story

Here Holder LIED... and he did the lying for Obama.. this is HUGE..and an American died

A crime is a crime and Liddy was convicted. And who in their right mind thinks the only guns the cartels have are from this operation. Besides I thought the saying goes," guns don't kill people, people kill people". You guys can't have it both ways.
 
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LOL. Great logic! Obama does not want us to know, so it is assumed to be related to a national security matter, so sensitive, that Obama can not even tell congress what it is about? Yes he did!

Amazing right? And yet that is ALWAYS what is asserted in privilege cases.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Translation - Blah blah blah blah blah blah look everyone Bush did it too. Blah blah blah blah blah Bush blah Bush blah Bush blah I hate Bush blah blah blah.

Regardless, he did claim executive privilege there. It turns out that a staffer close to the Vice President was involved, which is pretty high up when you think about that.

I disagree with Obama here as much as anybody, but...don't go pretending like Bush was TOTALLY different when he wasn't.
 
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Obama is complicit..I think all actions tell us that..

Can you prove that, or are you just hating?
 
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A crime is a crime. And who in their right mind thinks the only guns the cartels have are from this operation. Besides I thought the saying goes," guns don't kill people, people kill people". You guys can't have it both ways.

Yea sure.. jay walking is the same is capital murder...right?...

Your Loser hero Obama is going down..and that scumbag commie fwad idgit Holder is going to jail...Obama is only worried about the election and pushing this past November...
 
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Can you prove that, or are you just hating?

just simple deduction.. Obama said he didnt know of this or see the docs, but today he uses exec priv.. so what he does know is he was involved.. if Obama truly didnt know , or knew for a fact he had nothing to fear he would have done nothing.. now we see the connection where Holder lied and said there was none.

simple
 
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Bigger article coming as this just happened.



i find it amazing how this administration is avoiding the government process to investigate the fast and furious debacle. Given this move, I am curious as to the opinions of others on this matter.
I want obstruction charges and extended contempt of Congress charges to the executive. Nixon got nailed for Watergate because he got in the way of the investigation, he never had anything to do with the actual break in or planning of such, and no one got killed. I am not a fan of Nixon's legacy BTW.
 
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You seem to deal only in jibber jabber. You want to claim that the last time something like this happened was under Nixon ... is he president? No, the last time it happened -- TWICE -- was under Bush. Once it involved the AG scandal and the other time it involved the Valerie Plame scandal. Were those both admissions that of Bush's involvement? Obviously not, as the executive privilege extends to members of the executive branch -- not just the president himself.

This isn't exactly a new thing. The privilege was first asserted by George Washington.

Not quite. It extends to the President, Vice-President, and their assistants who are not subject to Congressional approval. You noted in an earlier post that the documents might discuss evidence in other DoJ cases. That is not covered by EP.

The earlier cases you cite with Bush involve such as Carl Rove, who was an advisor, not subject to Congressional oversight or approval. Hoepfully you can understand the difference. ;)
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Obviously you can't comprehend the fact that the executive privilege doesn't just encompass WH communications. Not much I can do about that. :shrug:




I would guess there is not much you "can do" about most things here.... You are dancing around all the facts to excuse the poor behavior of your king. You wish to talk about bush to deflect from critisizm of your king. It's pretty lame, kid.
 
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