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Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/226]

Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Of course you don't deal in jibber jabber, that would prove that people that supported Bush pulling executive privalege while crying about Obama doing it are hypocrites. Wouldn't want that now would we?

I'll go on record and say that I think this excuse from Obama is bogus. That's not what I would call a transparent government.


You should quote me supporting bush on his use of executive order, so you don't look like you are a liar. :prof
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

As I believe I mentioned, the privilege doesn't just apply to communications with the president. There's a reason it's called the "executive" privilege, as in executive branch, and not the "presidential" privilege. Why are you ignoring what I write? Because you have no response?



Uhm, and I gave you precedent, you ignored it to yammer on incoherently about bush. Your ignorance on executive privledge is not worthy of a further response.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

What POSSIBLE "national security" reason can be said to be related to WHO ordered the ignoring of crimes committed by the straw purchases of guns from licensed federal firearms dealers in the U.S.? Hmm...

Who knows? Maybe there are Mexican government or military figures involved? Maybe the document request is vastly overbroad and would require the production of unrelated or marginally related documents? How can there possibly be 80,000 pages of documents relevant to this minor operation? That's what Issa has requested: 80,000 pages of documents. Holder has already given him close to 10,000 pages, but apparently Issa has a larger fishing expedition in mind.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

It's funny, because you know he whined about stuff ad nauseum with bush, so he in attempting to out me as a hypocrite, has proven he is the hypocrite he seeks.

It's funny, but I wasn't even posting on this forum when Bush was president, so you are talking out of your ass.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

It's funny, but I wasn't even posting on this forum when Bush was president, so you are talking out of your ass.



I am sure at whatever lame site you were posting jibber jabber on, it's there. I mean you are still doing it, why would the intelligent think you behaved differently.

Still avoiding the topic I see.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Speaking of hypocrites.....


 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

I am sure at whatever lame site you were posting jibber jabber on, it's there. I mean you are still doing it, why would the intelligent think you behaved differently.

Still avoiding the topic I see.

And you're still talking out your ass. I haven't criticized Bush in this thread -- just pointing out that he exerted executive privilege on (at least) two occasions.
 
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Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Speaking of hypocrites.....




Obama was specifically talking about the Bush administration officials' refusal to testify. Has anyone in the Obama administration refused to testify?
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

And you're still talking out your ass. I haven't criticized Bush in this thread -- just pointing out that he exerted executive privilege in relation on (at least) two occasions.



Pay attention, kid, this topic is about Obama, executive privledge, and his seemingly hypocritical stances along with contradictory positions in it's execution. Is it too difficult for you to focus that you need to deflect at each and every turn?
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Pay attention, kid, this topic is about Obama, executive privledge, and his seemingly hypocritical stances along with contradictory positions in it's execution. Is it too difficult for you to focus that you need to deflect at each and every turn?

Well, then I suggest you stop talking about Nixon, pops.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Obama was specifically talking about the Bush administration officials' refusal to testify. Has anyone in the Obama administration refused to testify?



ERIC ****ING HOLDER...... withholding documents, is the same damnd thing..... my god man, you should play goalie the way you deflect. /facepalm
 
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ERIC ****ING HOLDER...... withholding documents, is the same damnd thing..... my god man, you should play goalie the way you deflect. /facepalm

Flat-out refusing to testify under oath is the same thing as partial discovery of documents?! :lol:
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Well, then I suggest you stop talking about Nixon, pops.



I mentioned this republican president as it is closer in similarity than any of the other 25 times it was invoked since then. Bush 6 times, clinton 14, reagan the rest.... IF you wish to pollute the thread by refering to bush, you go on, your refusal to discuss the topic, demonstrates, that your a simple ideologue and apparatchik for this current administration. :shrug:
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Flat-out refusing to testify under oath is the same thing as partial discovery of documents?! :lol:



Your cheerleading and excuse making is pathetic. this is not comparable, but whatever jibber jabber you bring up on bush's use of it is somehow comparable? /facepalm
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

I mentioned this republican president as it is closer in similarity than any of the other 25 times it was invoked since then. Bush 6 times, clinton 14, reagan the rest.... IF you wish to pollute the thread by refering to bush, you go on, your refusal to discuss the topic, demonstrates, that your a simple ideologue and apparatchik for this current administration. :shrug:

You seem to have neglected to explain WHY you think it was "closer in similarity" to Nixon.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Your cheerleading and excuse making is pathetic.

It sure didn't take you long to revert to pure ad hominem. Good strategy in the absence of an argument, I guess. :roll:
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Kinda look like Obama is in pretty good company in dodging this witchhunt by a convicted felon.:2wave:



"In 1796, President George Washington refused to comply with a request by the House of Representatives for documents related to the negotiation of the then-recently adopted Jay Treaty with the Kingdom of Great Britain.

President Thomas Jefferson continued the precedent for this in the trial of Aaron Burr for treason in 1807. Burr asked the court to issue a subpoena duces tecum to compel Jefferson to provide his private letters concerning Burr.

In 1833, President Andrew Jackson cited executive privilege when Senator Henry Clay demanded he produce documents concerning statements the president made to his cabinet about the removal of federal deposits from the Second Bank of the United States during the Bank War.

During the Army–McCarthy hearings in 1954, Eisenhower used the claim of executive privilege to forbid the "provision of any data about internal conversations, meetings, or written communication among staffers, with no exception to topics or people."
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

It sure didn't take you long to revert to pure ad hominem. Good strategy in the absence of an argument, I guess. :roll:



Listen, you tell me anytime in the history of the US that the president invoked privledge over JUSTICE DEPARTMENT documents.... Bush, for example over the AD's was that rove was an extension of the executive branch. I believe the latter was held up, and later on, rove ended up testifying. So your asinine point, is moot.


I am the only one between us, with an argument, so I am unsure of the purpose of a tantrum now.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Kinda look like Obama is in pretty good company in dodging this witchhunt by a convicted felon.:2wave:



"In 1796, President George Washington refused to comply with a request by the House of Representatives for documents related to the negotiation of the then-recently adopted Jay Treaty with the Kingdom of Great Britain.

President Thomas Jefferson continued the precedent for this in the trial of Aaron Burr for treason in 1807. Burr asked the court to issue a subpoena duces tecum to compel Jefferson to provide his private letters concerning Burr.

In 1833, President Andrew Jackson cited executive privilege when Senator Henry Clay demanded he produce documents concerning statements the president made to his cabinet about the removal of federal deposits from the Second Bank of the United States during the Bank War.

During the Army–McCarthy hearings in 1954, Eisenhower used the claim of executive privilege to forbid the "provision of any data about internal conversations, meetings, or written communication among staffers, with no exception to topics or people."



you will note the difference is this is all between presidential communications, both Obama and holder are on record that the WH was not involved in FandF, furthermore, this is justice department docs, not wh docs... Huge difference.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Obama was specifically talking about the Bush administration officials' refusal to testify. Has anyone in the Obama administration refused to testify?

LOL. Yes, that is what executive privilege is, refusing to allow anyone to even be identified as involved is quite a few notches above merely taking the fifth. Just what "national security" interest do you see involved here? This is a SIMPLE case; WHO said to ignore crime, leading to the deaths of many, and WHY was it so ordered?
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

You seem to have neglected to explain WHY you think it was "closer in similarity" to Nixon.



Oh you are right, it's not as close, as at least nixon was admittedly involved, unlike Obama who with holder claims the WH had no knowledge. Thanks for proving my point. I appreciate it.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Listen, you tell me anytime in the history of the US that the president invoked privledge over JUSTICE DEPARTMENT documents.... Bush, for example over the AD's was that rove was an extension of the executive branch. I believe the latter was held up, and later on, rove ended up testifying. So your asinine point, is moot.


I am the only one between us, with an argument, so I am unsure of the purpose of a tantrum now.

Are you trying to suggest that the Justice Department isn't a part of the executive branch? :lol:

But to your suggestion that never in the history of the US has the president had the AUDACITY to assert executive privilege over JUSTICE DEPARTMENT documnents.... :failpail:

President Bush has asserted "executive privilege" and is refusing to release confidential Justice Department documents related to campaign fundraising practices during the Clinton administration to a congressional oversight committee.

"It is my decision that you should not release these documents or otherwise make them available to the committee," Bush said in a memorandum to Attorney General John Ashcroft that was released by the White House on Thursday.

"Because I believe that congressional access to these documents would be contrary to the national interest, I have decided to assert executive privilege with respect to the documents and to instruct you not to release them or otherwise make them available to the committee," the president said.

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-12-14/...ocuments-justice-department?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS

... for one.
 
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Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

You seem to deal only in jibber jabber. You want to claim that the last time something like this happened was under Nixon ... is he president? No, the last time it happened -- TWICE -- was under Bush. Once it involved the AG scandal and the other time it involved the Valerie Plame scandal. Were those both admissions that of Bush's involvement? Obviously not, as the executive privilege extends to members of the executive branch -- not just the president himself.

This isn't exactly a new thing. The privilege was first asserted by George Washington.

Translation What Adam is saying - blah blah blah blah blah Bush did it also. Blah blah blah blah I love Obama so much I want to bow down before him and lick the dirt between his toes. Blah blah blah blah bloah Bush did it twice so quit saying bad things about Obama. Blah blah blah blah you're all just racists blah blah blah.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Oh you are right, it's not as close, as at least nixon was admittedly involved, unlike Obama who with holder claims the WH had no knowledge. Thanks for proving my point. I appreciate it.

... he said, still failing to grasp that the executive privilege extends to the exeutive branch and not just the WH ... and that the Justice Department is part of the executive branch....
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Oh you are right, it's not as close, as at least nixon was admittedly involved, unlike Obama who with holder claims the WH had no knowledge. Thanks for proving my point. I appreciate it.

and Rev.. you are so right.. and lets not forget, we sadly have a dead American border guard here.. so its extremely offensive to all rational people what Obama and Holder are colluding on here..

Thank You Rev for making this thread..Id like to take part more but Im too pointed up to be able to enjoy much around here or id be posting lots of support..
 
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