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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Our dear leader has spoken.

    Please shut your faces and get in line for the train cars.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by treedancer View Post
    Not to mention who was pres when this all started eh?
    indeed...



    “Fast and Furious” was launched in Arizona in late 2009 by Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives officials, with help from the U.S. attorney’s office there. The operation’s targets bought nearly 2,000 weapons over several months, and many of those purchases ATF knew about ahead of time. But for reasons that are still in dispute, most of the weapons sold were never followed, and high-powered weapons tied to the investigation ended up at crime scenes in Mexico and the United States, including the December 2010 murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry."






    What will it take for the lunatic fringe to critisize their administration?
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Ah, it happened in your head, therefore it happened.

    So Bush was complicit in the Plame leak too, since he obviously had something to hide by exerting executive privilege. No wait, that couldn't be right, he isn't a Kenyan Marxist...
    say huh? happened "in my head".??? 2+2=4...like I said, Obama said he never saw the docs, but today he is protecting himself, so Id say he is complicit..

    Lets hope Holder spends some time with Scooter..( who is innocent)

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    People need to be careful. Fast and Furious was pursued as a matter of national security. Efforts to expose or criticize it would be basis for President Obama to order you silently and secrety sent to Gitmo or assassinated as an enemy of the state under the Executive Assassination powers he wanted and obtained.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    indeed...



    “Fast and Furious” was launched in Arizona in late 2009 by Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives officials, with help from the U.S. attorney’s office there. The operation’s targets bought nearly 2,000 weapons over several months, and many of those purchases ATF knew about ahead of time. But for reasons that are still in dispute, most of the weapons sold were never followed, and high-powered weapons tied to the investigation ended up at crime scenes in Mexico and the United States, including the December 2010 murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry."






    What will it take for the lunatic fringe to critisize their administration?
    and ti was stared strictly to take arms away from Americans and change the gun laws here.. a stated goal of Holder and Obama..

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Those are all proper exercise of EP. The direct communications of the President, and his chosen (not appointed) advisors. Holder is not so protected. He was confirmed by Congress. Whether there is evidence in pending cases, or even National Security, does not make something EP liable. Congress is granted oversight in those areas. What they can do is hold closed hearings, etc, as they usually do when appropriate.
    Are you saying that Holders not part of the "executive branch "of the Government?

    executive privilege is the power claimed by the President of the United States and other members of the executive branch to resist certain subpoenas and other interventions by the legislative and judicial branches of government
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    just simple deduction.. Obama said he didnt know of this or see the docs, but today he uses exec priv.. so what he does know is he was involved.. if Obama truly didnt know , or knew for a fact he had nothing to fear he would have done nothing.. now we see the connection where Holder lied and said there was none.

    simple
    Let me interject. Obama and Holder have maintained that Obama was not part of the planning of FF, nor aware of it while in progress. Let's assume that is true. Holder has admitted under oath that he had discussed the matter, since the crap hit the fan, but after FF was stopped, with Obama in passing. And likely more with WH underlings.

    It is possible that some EP would apply to the discussions with underlings in the WH, and that this is not an admission that Obama knew about FF prior. But Holder himself, and the DoJ, is entitled to no EP per se. Only those communications with the President or his chosen advisors might be covered.

    But not 73,000 + documents.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    indeed...



    “Fast and Furious” was launched in Arizona in late 2009 by Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives officials, with help from the U.S. attorney’s office there. The operation’s targets bought nearly 2,000 weapons over several months, and many of those purchases ATF knew about ahead of time. But for reasons that are still in dispute, most of the weapons sold were never followed, and high-powered weapons tied to the investigation ended up at crime scenes in Mexico and the United States, including the December 2010 murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry."






    What will it take for the lunatic fringe to critisize their administration?
    I don't know but a good start would be a confession from you "lunatics" that GW Bush needlessly caused the deaths of 4000+ Americans in a botched search for WMD's in Iraq.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Not quite. It extends to the President, Vice-President, and their assistants who are not subject to Congressional approval.
    That is incorrect. The privelege can be asserted over virtually any executive branch communication.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by treedancer View Post
    Are you saying that Holders not part of the "executive branch "of the Government?

    executive privilege is the power claimed by the President of the United States and other members of the executive branch to resist certain subpoenas and other interventions by the legislative and judicial branches of government
    Look it up. Holder and the DoJ are not covered on their own. A discussion between Holder and someone working for him is not covered by EP. Holder is confirmed by Congress. The only thing covered would be those communications directly with the WH (to include advisors to Obama).

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