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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    A crime is a crime. And who in their right mind thinks the only guns the cartels have are from this operation. Besides I thought the saying goes," guns don't kill people, people kill people". You guys can't have it both ways.
    Yea sure.. jay walking is the same is capital murder...right?...

    Your Loser hero Obama is going down..and that scumbag commie fwad idgit Holder is going to jail...Obama is only worried about the election and pushing this past November...
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Can you prove that, or are you just hating?
    just simple deduction.. Obama said he didnt know of this or see the docs, but today he uses exec priv.. so what he does know is he was involved.. if Obama truly didnt know , or knew for a fact he had nothing to fear he would have done nothing.. now we see the connection where Holder lied and said there was none.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
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    Bigger article coming as this just happened.



    i find it amazing how this administration is avoiding the government process to investigate the fast and furious debacle. Given this move, I am curious as to the opinions of others on this matter.
    I want obstruction charges and extended contempt of Congress charges to the executive. Nixon got nailed for Watergate because he got in the way of the investigation, he never had anything to do with the actual break in or planning of such, and no one got killed. I am not a fan of Nixon's legacy BTW.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You seem to deal only in jibber jabber. You want to claim that the last time something like this happened was under Nixon ... is he president? No, the last time it happened -- TWICE -- was under Bush. Once it involved the AG scandal and the other time it involved the Valerie Plame scandal. Were those both admissions that of Bush's involvement? Obviously not, as the executive privilege extends to members of the executive branch -- not just the president himself.

    This isn't exactly a new thing. The privilege was first asserted by George Washington.
    Not quite. It extends to the President, Vice-President, and their assistants who are not subject to Congressional approval. You noted in an earlier post that the documents might discuss evidence in other DoJ cases. That is not covered by EP.

    The earlier cases you cite with Bush involve such as Carl Rove, who was an advisor, not subject to Congressional oversight or approval. Hoepfully you can understand the difference.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Obviously you can't comprehend the fact that the executive privilege doesn't just encompass WH communications. Not much I can do about that.



    I would guess there is not much you "can do" about most things here.... You are dancing around all the facts to excuse the poor behavior of your king. You wish to talk about bush to deflect from critisizm of your king. It's pretty lame, kid.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Not quite. It extends to the President, Vice-President, and their assistants who are not subject to Congressional approval. You noted in an earlier post that the documents might discuss evidence in other DoJ cases. That is not covered by EP.

    The earlier cases you cite with Bush involve such as Carl Rove, who was an advisor, not subject to Congressional oversight or approval. Hoepfully you can understand the difference.


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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Amazing right? And yet that is ALWAYS what is asserted in privilege cases.
    Not to mention who was pres when this all started eh?
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    just simple deduction.. Obama said he didnt know of this or see the docs, but today he uses exec priv.. so what he does know is he was involved.. if Obama truly didnt know , or knew for a fac he had nothing to fear he would have done nothing.. now we see the connection where Holder lied and said there was none.

    simple
    Ah, it happened in your head, therefore it happened.

    So Bush was complicit in the Plame leak too, since he obviously had something to hide by exerting executive privilege. No wait, that couldn't be right, he isn't a Kenyan Marxist...


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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by treedancer View Post
    Kinda look like Obama is in pretty good company in dodging this witchhunt by a convicted felon.



    "In 1796, President George Washington refused to comply with a request by the House of Representatives for documents related to the negotiation of the then-recently adopted Jay Treaty with the Kingdom of Great Britain.

    President Thomas Jefferson continued the precedent for this in the trial of Aaron Burr for treason in 1807. Burr asked the court to issue a subpoena duces tecum to compel Jefferson to provide his private letters concerning Burr.

    In 1833, President Andrew Jackson cited executive privilege when Senator Henry Clay demanded he produce documents concerning statements the president made to his cabinet about the removal of federal deposits from the Second Bank of the United States during the Bank War.

    During the Army–McCarthy hearings in 1954, Eisenhower used the claim of executive privilege to forbid the "provision of any data about internal conversations, meetings, or written communication among staffers, with no exception to topics or people."
    Those are all proper exercise of EP. The direct communications of the President, and his chosen (not appointed) advisors. Holder is not so protected. He was confirmed by Congress. Whether there is evidence in pending cases, or even National Security, does not make something EP liable. Congress is granted oversight in those areas. What they can do is hold closed hearings, etc, as they usually do when appropriate.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You should quote me supporting bush on his use of executive order, so you don't look like you are a liar.


    Well you would be right if I had accused you personally of that, but since I didn't I don't have anything to worry about there.
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