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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yep, 11 hearings, 8,000 pages of documents, no evidence of any WH involvement -- no CASE.
    That's an old tactic called "burying them in paperwork". This isn't a court of law where you have to have a case - it's an oversight function that's being obstructed.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious



    Here’s the main reason that Kochs oversight felon is on holders ass. Gotta slow down the voter registration in a few key states and what better way then the voter suppression drive.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Reich on! An independant prosecutor that is a die-hard republican! That's what we need!

    An independant republican. Someone like Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity perhaps.

    You know. Someone who has no lean.

    Because we all know anyone who isn't a reichwinger or a tea-bagger can't be trusted.
    Uhhhh, you do know it's Holder (D) that appoints the special prosecutor, right? Guess you didn't.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's an old tactic called "burying them in paperwork". This isn't a court of law where you have to have a case - it's an oversight function that's being obstructed.
    And around and round we go.... Maybe the courts will decide. Maybe the OIG investigation will clear it up. Otherwise we're both just guessing.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Reich on! An independant prosecutor that is a die-hard republican! That's what we need!
    Nobody is saying a hand picked independent counsel that I have seen, actually that would be a contradiction in terms. What IS needed is an independent counsel that can look at the facts at hand and decide whether prosecution is warranted or not. You have to admit Cap that the administration is engaging in awfully fishy behavior. As many have pointed out, myself included, we want the same standard that we would be held to applied for this federal action. I may not knowingly supply any type of weapon for commission or possible commission of a crime nor may I transfer in any way to someone who is a known criminal under federal law. This is exactly what has been done under the F&F program and for suspect reasons, it is only proper that someone be held fully accountable.

    An independant republican. Someone like Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity perhaps.
    Simply someone who will uphold the law.

    You know. Someone who has no lean.
    Not possible, but someone with integrity not affiliated with the DOJ would be a great start.
    Because we all know anyone who isn't a reichwinger or a tea-bagger can't be trusted.
    You are better than the ad homs CA, much better.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yep, 11 hearings, 8,000 pages of documents, no evidence of any WH involvement -- no CASE.
    LOL. Right. You make it sound like Issa got to pick those cards out of the WHOLE deck that was fanned out in front of him. Holder picked out a few of the cards, while looking at them, dealt a them to Issa and dared him to make a winning hand out of them. When Issa asked for some faces and aces, Holder said sorry but, those are the excutive only cards. ;-)
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    And around and round we go.... Maybe the courts will decide. Maybe the OIG investigation will clear it up. Otherwise we're both just guessing.
    The courts won't decide (unless it's about the application of EP). The OIG investigation is already off the table/considered tainted. I'm not guessing. As explained it's what oversight is. Sometimes the investigation into POSSIBLE government malfeasance uncovers some wrongdoing, sometimes it doesn't. The investigations are still a matter of the job.

    A special prosecutor will end up being appointed and then we'll know the result of the investigation. All this obstruction inbetween is a "case" in and of itself.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The courts won't decide (unless it's about the application of EP). The OIG investigation is already off the table/considered tainted. I'm not guessing. As explained it's what oversight is. Sometimes the investigation into POSSIBLE government malfeasance uncovers some wrongdoing, sometimes it doesn't. The investigations are still a matter of the job.

    A special prosecutor will end up being appointed and then we'll know the result of the investigation. All this obstruction inbetween is a "case" in and of itself.
    Unless you've seen the documents you are guessing.

    One thing that's certain is that Issa's request is absurd. There can't possibly be 100,000 pages that are relevent to this investigation.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Unless you've seen the documents you are guessing.
    No, that would be you. YOU are guessing that those documents contain nothing implicating the admin in this operation or any coverup. Me? I'm not guessing one way or the other. To be fair, I am suspicious, but only because of the obstruction. Obstruction makes me suspicious. As I said, I'm not guessing, I'm asserting it's his job to investigate for possible government wrongdoing. Whether he finds it or not, the investigation should still be done - and not obstructed.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    One thing that's certain is that Issa's request is absurd. There can't possibly be 100,000 pages that are relevent to this investigation.
    And how do you know that? Just guessing are you?

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, that would be you. YOU are guessing that those documents contain nothing implicating the admin in this operation or any coverup. Me? I'm not guessing one way or the other. To be fair, I am suspicious, but only because of the obstruction. Obstruction makes me suspicious. As I said, I'm not guessing, I'm asserting it's his job to investigate for possible government wrongdoing. Whether he finds it or not, the investigation should still be done - and not obstructed.



    And how do you know that? Just guessing are you?
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