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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Bull****!!!!! Unless you believe that Obama is really guilty in the MANY investigations Issa has conducted in the last few years. The freak has a raging hard on for Obama and will do anything to throw dirt on him.
    Maybe if he and Holder cooperated, I mean actually cooperated we would know wouldn't we? What an obtuse statement.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

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    Of course they do. He is the anointed ONE and Holder is his Just-us apostle. If you doubt this you are a racist heretic.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    First of all, there is NO WAY that ONE ATF agent and a SINGLE U.S. DA in AZ were running, PUT IN CHARGE OF, an over $10 million dollar operation, in multiple locations within three states, involving hundreds (at least) of other agents in SEVERAL law enforcement organizations, federal, state and local and ALL of them just happened to lose their guns. Have these TWO geniuses given public sworn statements to that effect, that they and they alone, were calling the shots? This F&F is WAY bigger and "deeper" than something run by two peons in AZ; that is what is being covered up, as I, and many sane people, are doubtful that JUST those two guy's names are all that are mentioned in the requested documents. You KNOW this will eventually come out, just not before the election if king Barack and his court jester Holder have their way. Yes he did!
    The head of ATF has been removed and the ADA in charge has been fired. Who claims that a single agent was responsible?


    Here's what Holder said in his February testimony:

    Washington (CNN) -- Firings and charges against Justice Department officials who oversaw the agency's flawed gun-running operation are likely to come in the next six months, Attorney General Eric Holder said Thursday.

    Holder was speaking before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee on the controversial sting operation called Operation Fast and Furious.

    Asked what steps he had taken since the controversy came to light 13 months ago, Holder said he is awaiting the conclusions of an internal investigation.

    Regarding people found culpable in that inquiry, he said, "I can assure you those people will be removed from federal service."

    Any possible charges will not be filed until the department has the evidence to get a conviction, he said at the hearing.
    I would imagine the investigation would be going quicker if they weren't constantly having to respond to Issa's bull****.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The head of ATF has been removed and the ADA in charge has been fired. Who claims that a single agent was responsible?


    Here's what Holder said in his February testimony:


    I would imagine the investigation would be going quicker if they weren't constantly having to respond to Issa's bull****.
    So, if I was to give guns to criminals, or help others to do so, I might even get FIRED and sent home without a cookie? Much like the swift and sure "just us" that allowed Greely, the GSA party executive, to reitre. LOL

    I am sure that the DOJ investigation, unlike the original F&F fiasco, requires Holder's personal, undivided attention to get done, in under 18 months. LOL
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    So, if I was to give guns to criminals, or help others to do so, I might even get FIRED and sent home without a cookie? Much like the swift and sure "just us" that allowed Greely, the GSA party executive, to reitre. LOL

    I am sure that the DOJ investigation, unlike the original F&F fiasco, requires Holder's personal, undivided attention to get done, in under 18 months. LOL
    "Any possible charges will not be filed until the department has the evidence to get a conviction, he said at the hearing."
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Incorrect. The president cannot remove them if the purpose is to inject politics into criminal prosecutions. Cite that statute that says that specifically. The IG investigating the case said there was nothing illegal involved but questioned whether the removals were not politically motivated as an ethical issue.

    You are absolutely trolling by ASSUMING as a matter of course that Issa is proceeding in good faith and Holder is not. It's funny how the conservatives are so focused in Holder that they don't even consider what a POS hack Issa is. Some interesting background:
    Issa's job is oversight, Holder has already proven he is not proceeding in good faith by retracting statements of fact. Issa is trying to do his job to find out if there was operational knowledge of this program within the White House after repeated declarations that there is not. Hes supposed to be doing what hes doing.

    Since the day Obama was elected Issa has been on a one-man Jihad to try to pin SOMETHING on the president.
    Do you really think an appeal to emotion with some nasty terrorist hyperbole spin is any kind of debating tactic?


    This guy is out of control and should be removed from his chairmanship.
    opinions and something something. Get back to me when you have some real arguments. These are pretty bad and unconvincing.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Bull****!!!!! Unless you believe that Obama is really guilty in the MANY investigations Issa has conducted in the last few years. The freak has a raging hard on for Obama and will do anything to throw dirt on him.
    And once again, Issa is the chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. It's his job to do MANY investigations. Some go nowhere and all are clean, others go the other way. I would hope whomever was the Chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform would be actively investigating the POTUS 24/7/365.

    But it'd be a lot easier if Obama had kept his transparency promise.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    "Any possible charges will not be filed until the department has the evidence to get a conviction, he said at the hearing."
    Once again, that's how investigations work. And the standard has always been, [enough] "evidence to get a conviction".

    Look, it can all be put to rest, or as at rest as any political scandal type issue can be, in fairly short order. Release the docs requested immediately and fully. What seems suspicious is the delay and obstruction. Especially considering, if there's nothing to implicate the administration in this, releasing all the docs will reveal the investigation as politically motivated - giving Obama much needed election season brownie points.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    "Any possible charges will not be filed until the department has the evidence to get a conviction, he said at the hearing."

    Well, since the 'department' is gathering supposed evidence on ITSELF I won't hold my breath....We the people need an independent prosecutor.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And once again, Issa is the chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. It's his job to do MANY investigations. Some go nowhere and all are clean, others go the other way. I would hope whomever was the Chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform would be actively investigating the POTUS 24/7/365.

    But it'd be a lot easier if Obama had kept his transparency promise.
    No, it isn't his job to do many investigations. It's his job to do AS MANY investigations as the facts warrant. It isn't his job to establish a permanent war court designed to trip up the president by mucking around in every conceivable decision.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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