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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    Translation What Adam is saying - blah blah blah blah blah Bush did it also. Blah blah blah blah I love Obama so much I want to bow down before him and lick the dirt between his toes. Blah blah blah blah bloah Bush did it twice so quit saying bad things about Obama. Blah blah blah blah you're all just racists blah blah blah.
    Translation: Adam blah blah blah Adam yada yada yada.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    Translation What Adam is saying - blah blah blah blah blah Bush did it also. Blah blah blah blah I love Obama so much I want to bow down before him and lick the dirt between his toes. Blah blah blah blah bloah Bush did it twice so quit saying bad things about Obama. Blah blah blah blah you're all just racists blah blah blah.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    you will note the difference is this is all between presidential communications, both Obama and holder are on record that the WH was not involved in FandF, furthermore, this is justice department docs, not wh docs... Huge difference.

    Itsa ****ing fishing expedition. you know it, the felon knows it, the only one that doesn't know it has his head in his ***.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Having skimmed Holder's request, I don't buy the argument that he needs executive privilege. Maintaining the separation of powers does not mean avoiding oversight by withholding information. His claim that the documents request by congress were created after the incident and therefor aren't relevant is not reasonable, as the after action reports are often the most useful.
    That would be for Congress to decide, not Holder.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    ... he said, still failing to grasp that the executive privilege extends to the exeutive branch and not just the WH ... and that the Justice Department is part of the executive branch....
    YOU keep dodging the question; what "national security" reason could possibly exist for not saying WHO allowed fast & fuzzy and WHY?
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Presumably Republicans will now agree that they cannot proceed with a contempt action against Holder....

    Bush administration officials unveiled a bold new assertion of executive authority yesterday in the dispute over the firing of nine U.S. attorneys, saying that the Justice Department will never be allowed to pursue contempt charges initiated by Congress against White House officials once the president has invoked executive privilege.

    The position presents serious legal and political obstacles for congressional Democrats, who have begun laying the groundwork for contempt proceedings against current and former White House officials in order to pry loose information about the dismissals.

    Under federal law, a statutory contempt citation by the House or Senate must be submitted to the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, "whose duty it shall be to bring the matter before the grand jury for its action."

    But administration officials argued yesterday that Congress has no power to force a U.S. attorney to pursue contempt charges in cases, such as the prosecutor firings, in which the president has declared that testimony or documents are protected from release by executive privilege. Officials pointed to a Justice Department legal opinion during the Reagan administration, which made the same argument in a case that was never resolved by the courts.

    "A U.S. attorney would not be permitted to bring contempt charges or convene a grand jury in an executive privilege case," said a senior official, who said his remarks reflect a consensus within the administration. "And a U.S. attorney wouldn't be permitted to argue against the reasoned legal opinion that the Justice Department provided. No one should expect that to happen."


    Bush Proclaims Unlimited Executive Privilege Powers
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    YOU keep dodging the question; what "national security" reason could possibly exist for not saying WHO allowed fast & fuzzy and WHY?
    Obviously I can't know without seeing the documents, can I? It's rather pointless to engage in a guessing game.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Are you trying to suggest that the Justice Department isn't a part of the executive branch?

    But to your suggestion that never in the history of the US has the president had the AUDACITY to assert executive privilege over JUSTICE DEPARTMENT documnents....

    Justice department, is not the WH, The fail is all yours....


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    You are stuck on bush, give Obama a pass, what do you expect me to do with this jibber jabber?
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The argument, of course, is that producing the genormous number of documents that Issa has requested would jeopardize many ongoing Justice Department investigations, and violote executive privilege.

    Did you attack attack Bush and his AG when they asserted executive privilege in connection with the DA scandal?

    Thank you for agreeing that Obama = W. Bush. But then, Obama is related to Dick Cheney so it was expected and why the powers-that-be establishment backed Obama as who would maintain the status quo - though using opposite words while doing so.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by treedancer View Post
    Itsa ****ing fishing expedition. you know it, the felon knows it, the only one that doesn't know it has his head in his ***.



    Ahh yes, defend your god king at all costs....


    200 people dead, 2000 guns purposefully given to criminals, one border patrol agent dead, and you call it a "fishing expedition".... Kinda pathetic dude.
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