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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    In every case that Executive Privelege has been invoked due to national securtiy, it has been accepted by the court as valid. In the cases that it has been invoked and not related to national security (as was the case with both Nixon and Clinton) it has been overturned.
    1. Once again you have failed to cite your 'facts'.

    2. Even if your claim was true, barring some court opinion supporting your claim what you present could be mere coincidence. Correlation, causation, all that. Therefore you fail on the factual level as well as the logical level.

    I think you will find that every time the courts have overruled executive privilege, an actual criminal investigation has been going on (with actual charges filed, a special prosecutor, etc). At this stage, Issa is not running a criminal investigation (nor may he even have the authority to do so).

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    OPSEC applies to all, so your underlying argument is wrong. If there are leaks, it's not the access but the security process that has failed. Information is disseminated on a need-to-know basis regardless of its classification. Just because you are cleared, does not mean you automatically have access.

    Now I don't know about any secrecy oath, but every employee of the US govt (including all elected officials) are require to take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, which by implication and explicitly by obtaining a security clearance level require you to secure the information you are given access to.
    So, basically you are agreeing with me then. These politicians aren't on a need-to-know basis. They just want the info for their political posturing purposes, which isn't a good enough reason to jeopardize the operations and people's lives.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

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    How about Cheney's successful assertion of the privelege to hide transcripts of his closed door energy policy meetings, for one?
    Because it had something to do with national security, so they said. Apparently the court agreed.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

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    They don't have a right to anything they request.
    Then why is there a Congressional Oversight Committee?
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    So, basically you are agreeing with me then. These politicians aren't on a need-to-know basis. They just want the info for their political posturing purposes, which isn't a good enough reason to jeopardize the operations and people's lives.
    Right...right up to the point that they do have a need to know and then they are given access.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    How about Cheney's successful assertion of the privelege to hide transcripts of his closed door energy policy meetings, for one?
    Who died ?
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    So, basically you are agreeing with me then. These politicians aren't on a need-to-know basis. They just want the info for their political posturing purposes, which isn't a good enough reason to jeopardize the operations and people's lives.
    Don't kid yourself.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Then why is there a Congressional Oversight Committee?
    Wasn't there a 911 Commission? What was it they were investigating? Hmmmm, it'll come to me. Yes I think even the President himself testified or rather was interviewed. I think maybe Obama should be interviewed.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Does anyone care about Randall Terry, Jaime Zapata or the many Mexicans killed by the weapons transferred to Mexico under the auspices of Fast and Furious? Is protecting Eric Holder the most important thing in the world to you? I am overwhelmed by revulsion.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    George W. Bush administration

    The Bush administration invoked executive privilege on six occasions.

    President George W. Bush first asserted executive privilege to deny disclosure of sought details regarding former Attorney General Janet Reno,[2]

    the scandal involving Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) misuse of organized-crime informants James J. Bulger and Stephen Flemmi in Boston, and Justice Department deliberations about President Bill Clinton's fundraising tactics, in December 2001.[8]


    Executive privilege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Bush invoked exective privledge 6 times and he did the same thing for Janet Reno as Obama has done for Holder...so all the outrage is a few years to late.

    So you cant say im being partisan Clinton invoked executive privledge 14 times....so Obama hasnt done a thing all presidents before him have done.

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