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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Of course further ballistics testing would determine with certainty which weapon fired the bullet that killed Terry [...]
    No, it would not. According to the L.A. Times the bullet was too badly damaged.

    This has all been posted before; did you not see it?

    A source briefed on the FBI's findings said the bullet that killed Terry was badly damaged "and that's why the FBI only got a partial match to the weapons. It was just too badly fragmented." The source spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is continuing.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    [1] Executive Privilege is not a constitutional right, [2] nor does it cover every conversation the President has...as was proven by Nixon.
    1. The Supreme Court disagrees. "The concept of executive privilege is not mentioned explicitly in the United States Constitution, but the Supreme Court of the United States ruled it to be an element of the separation of powers doctrine, and/or derived from the supremacy of executive branch in its own area of Constitutional activity.[1]" (Wikipedia). Now you know

    2. There may be exceptions, but I'm sure a reasonable/probable cause case would have to be made to a court (a review of the source above will confirm that) -- not a wild-eyed Kool-Aid-induced conspiracy theory that the GOP seems to generate on a weekly basis these days.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

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    1. The Supreme Court disagrees. "The concept of executive privilege is not mentioned explicitly in the United States Constitution, but the Supreme Court of the United States ruled it to be an element of the separation of powers doctrine, and/or derived from the supremacy of executive branch in its own area of Constitutional activity.[1]" (Wikipedia). Now you know

    2. There may be exceptions, but I'm sure a reasonable/probable cause case would have to be made to a court (a review of the source above will confirm that) -- not a wild-eyed Kool-Aid-induced conspiracy theory that the GOP seems to generate on a weekly basis these days.

    Here"s a preemptive strike before the screeching outcry starts about a link to wiki.


    <· Chief Justice Burger, writing for the majority in US v. Nixon noted: "Whatever the nature of the privilege of confidentiality of Presidential communications in the exercise of Art. II powers, the privilege can be said to derive from the supremacy of each branch within its own assigned area of constitutional duties. Certain powers and privileges flow from the nature of enumerated powers; the protection of the confidentiality of Presidential communications has similar constitutional underpinnings.United States v. Nixon, 418 U.S. 683 (1974) (Supreme Court opinion at FindLaw) >


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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    No proof one way or the other. Strong suspicions, but as of now, no proof. That is why the investigation.
    Holder is being held in contempt not because of executive privilege, but because at this point, there is no executive privilege. There is only the claim. Only the president can claim executive privilege, and he hasn't.
    I see. It's just gossip on your part. Possibly a lie to boot.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    No, it would not. According to the L.A. Times the bullet was too badly damaged.

    This has all been posted before; did you not see it?

    Did you conveniently forget the rest of the story?

    The rest of the story from the L.A. Times is that FBI forensics tests conducted on the two firearms at Agent Terry's murder scene concluded they could not determine which firearm was used to kill him.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Did you conveniently forget the rest of the story?

    The rest of the story from the L.A. Times is that FBI forensics tests conducted on the two firearms at Agent Terry's murder scene concluded they could not determine which firearm was used to kill him.
    While that is the way the L.A. Times worded their story, it is not the way the FBI worded their report... and to the utter and absolute failure of your repeated argument, it does not mean that one of those two rifles fired the bullet.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    1. The Supreme Court disagrees. "The concept of executive privilege is not mentioned explicitly in the United States Constitution, but the Supreme Court of the United States ruled it to be an element of the separation of powers doctrine, and/or derived from the supremacy of executive branch in its own area of Constitutional activity.[1]" (Wikipedia). Now you know
    That doesn't make it a constitutional right.

    2. There may be exceptions, but I'm sure a reasonable/probable cause case would have to be made to a court (a review of the source above will confirm that) -- not a wild-eyed Kool-Aid-induced conspiracy theory that the GOP seems to generate on a weekly basis these days.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Given that the documents subpoenaed encompass only the time period after 2/4/11, after which the F and F 'scandal' had already broken, and given that Holder assigned an Inspector General to the case sometime in 2/11, and given that Obama spoke publicly about F and F on 3/23/111, then it would be reasonable to assume that the subpoenaed documents would include the actions and communications of the president himself (I would presume he had also been informed of the IG investigation launched in February).

    Issa is not looking for documents about F and F, or about the death of Agent Terry (again, shame on the right for using his death, and his family, as a political soapbox), he is looking for documents that might indicate a cover up, an intent to punish whistleblowers, or some other admission of knowledge that has not been made public. In other words, he doesn't give a **** about F and F, he's just trying to find some way to damage the administration after the fact.



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    That is a very valid line of investigation especially after the DOJ provided a fake letter to the congress. Now they are obligated to find out who prepared the fake letter and what led up to it, among other things.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    That is a very valid line of investigation especially after the DOJ provided a fake letter to the congress. Now they are obligated to find out who prepared the fake letter and what led up to it, among other things.
    Every step of this could have been avoided by Holder just being straight with congress. Now he has dug a hole, and he keeps digging, while pulling Obama in with him.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Every step of this could have been avoided by Holder just being straight with congress. Now he has dug a hole, and he keeps digging, while pulling Obama in with him.

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    That is absolutely true but when people think the rules don't apply to them, things like this happen.

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