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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    I don't recall that President Bush invoked executive privilege to prevent the release of documents to a congressional committee seeking information about the death of a federal agent related to his program either. [...]
    That's because the documents being seeked by Issa's committee are not related to the death of Agent Terry.

    By the way, righties -- if you're going to use his death as a platform for your attacks on the administration, the least you could do in respect is to use his name -- he's more than a political pawn, he's a real person.

    Secondly, Agent Terry's death had nothing to do with Fast and Furious; he was not involved in that operation. He was a border patrol agent that stumbled across some bad guys in the desert in the night. Holder did not shoot him; neither did Obama.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

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    That's because the documents being seeked by Issa's committee are not related to the death of Agent Terry.

    By the way, righties -- if you're going to use his death as a platform for your attacks on the administration, the least you could do in respect is to use his name -- he's more than a political pawn, he's a real person.

    Secondly, Agent Terry's death had nothing to do with Fast and Furious; he was not involved in that operation. He was a border patrol agent that stumbled across some bad guys in the desert in the night. Holder did not shoot him; neither did Obama.
    The documents being sought are to conclude what level of knowledge the White House in regards to operational control of Fast and Furious and how they chose to answer the subpeoneas. IE did they attempt to cover up White House involvement when they contended over and over that they were not involved at all.

    Secondly, Agent Terry was killed by a gun that went across the border as a result of fast and furious. The American Government should not be in the business of allowing sales that would not normally occur so they can be funneled to drug cartels. Thats the entire point of this. Saying they would get the guns another way is well and good, but the government should not be facilitating that access without control over gun movement.

    By the way lefties, respect for the office was pretty absent the 8 years Bush was in office. Not that Im into the name games with Obama's name, but it is what it is.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
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    Bigger article coming as this just happened.



    i find it amazing how this administration is avoiding the government process to investigate the fast and furious debacle. Given this move, I am curious as to the opinions of others on this matter.


    Bush used executive privledge far more than Obama...every president uses executive privledge to keep their dirty laundry in the hamper...this is nothing new

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    The documents being sought are to conclude what level of knowledge the White House in regards to operational control of Fast and Furious and how they chose to answer the subpeoneas. IE did they attempt to cover up White House involvement when they contended over and over that they were not involved at all. [...]
    Then, like I, you disagree with that the other poster posted. So far, so good:

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    I don't recall that President Bush invoked executive privilege to prevent the release of documents to a congressional committee seeking information about the death of a federal agent related to his program either. [...]
    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Secondly, Agent Terry was killed by a gun that went across the border as a result of fast and furious. [...]
    Oooh, sorry, the FBI has clearly stated that they have been unable to identify the gun that killed Agent Terry[1]. That's been noted so many times here that to claim otherwise is pretty much an outright lie. But hey, thanks for the ride on the propaganda train, which runs on tracks that only seem to turn to the right . . . . . .


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    Fast and Furious: Ballistics report from ATF agent’s killing - Documents - Los Angeles Times

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    [...] By the way lefties, respect for the office was pretty absent the 8 years Bush was in office. Not that Im into the name games with Obama's name, but it is what it is.
    I was speaking of Agent Terry's name, and I'm rather stunned that you did not realize that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl, previously View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    I don't recall that President Bush invoked executive privilege to prevent the release of documents to a congressional committee seeking information about the death of a federal agent related to his program either. [...]
    That's because the documents being seeked by Issa's committee are not related to the death of Agent Terry.

    By the way, righties -- if you're going to use his death as a platform for your attacks on the administration, the least you could do in respect is to use his name -- he's more than a political pawn, he's a real person. [...]
    Last edited by Karl; 06-23-12 at 05:32 PM.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    That's because the documents being seeked by Issa's committee are not related to the death of Agent Terry.

    By the way, righties -- if you're going to use his death as a platform for your attacks on the administration, the least you could do in respect is to use his name -- he's more than a political pawn, he's a real person.

    Secondly, Agent Terry's death had nothing to do with Fast and Furious; he was not involved in that operation. He was a border patrol agent that stumbled across some bad guys in the desert in the night. Holder did not shoot him; neither did Obama.
    Of course Brian Perry wasn't involved in F and F. He was a victim of it. It was Holder, and now Obama, who are involved in it.

    Wake up America: Video- Dead Border Patrol Agent, Brian Terry, Parents Accuse White House Lying

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    That's because the documents being seeked by Issa's committee are not related to the death of Agent Terry.

    By the way, righties -- if you're going to use his death as a platform for your attacks on the administration, the least you could do in respect is to use his name -- he's more than a political pawn, he's a real person.

    Secondly, Agent Terry's death had nothing to do with Fast and Furious; he was not involved in that operation. He was a border patrol agent that stumbled across some bad guys in the desert in the night. Holder did not shoot him; neither did Obama.
    Please share your evidence with everyone here.

    No, they didn't shoot him, they just provided the weapons to the bad guys who did.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Then, like I, you disagree with that the other poster posted. So far, so good:



    Oooh, sorry, the FBI has clearly stated that they have been unable to identify the gun that killed Agent Terry[1]. That's been noted so many times here that to claim otherwise is pretty much an outright lie. But hey, thanks for the ride on the propaganda train, which runs on tracks that only seem to turn to the right . . . . . .


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    Fast and Furious: Ballistics report from ATF agent’s killing - Documents - Los Angeles Times
    Of course further ballistics testing would determine with certainty which weapon fired the bullet that killed Terry, would be nice if we could get that information released via subpeonea wouldnt it? You know the talking points, you just arent aware we know them as well. Go get some more, Ill be here.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Of course Brian Perry wasn't involved in F and F. He was a victim of it. [...]
    There is no conclusive evidence to that effect. Of course that has not, and will not, stop the right from dishonestly claiming it.

    Agent Terry was a victim of the war on drugs (most likely; or whatever the bad guys he ran into were up to).
    Last edited by Karl; 06-23-12 at 10:40 PM.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    I thought that all constitutional rights should be protected.

    I did not think that the excercise of constitutional rights was evidence of guilt.

    However, it seems that those bedrock founding principles of liberty and freedom are no longer universally accepted and cherished.
    Executive Privilege is not a constitutional right, nor does it cover every conversation the President has...as was proven by Nixon.
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