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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

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    Your cheerleading and excuse making is pathetic.
    It sure didn't take you long to revert to pure ad hominem. Good strategy in the absence of an argument, I guess.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Kinda look like Obama is in pretty good company in dodging this witchhunt by a convicted felon.



    "In 1796, President George Washington refused to comply with a request by the House of Representatives for documents related to the negotiation of the then-recently adopted Jay Treaty with the Kingdom of Great Britain.

    President Thomas Jefferson continued the precedent for this in the trial of Aaron Burr for treason in 1807. Burr asked the court to issue a subpoena duces tecum to compel Jefferson to provide his private letters concerning Burr.

    In 1833, President Andrew Jackson cited executive privilege when Senator Henry Clay demanded he produce documents concerning statements the president made to his cabinet about the removal of federal deposits from the Second Bank of the United States during the Bank War.

    During the Army–McCarthy hearings in 1954, Eisenhower used the claim of executive privilege to forbid the "provision of any data about internal conversations, meetings, or written communication among staffers, with no exception to topics or people."
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It sure didn't take you long to revert to pure ad hominem. Good strategy in the absence of an argument, I guess.


    Listen, you tell me anytime in the history of the US that the president invoked privledge over JUSTICE DEPARTMENT documents.... Bush, for example over the AD's was that rove was an extension of the executive branch. I believe the latter was held up, and later on, rove ended up testifying. So your asinine point, is moot.


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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by treedancer View Post
    Kinda look like Obama is in pretty good company in dodging this witchhunt by a convicted felon.



    "In 1796, President George Washington refused to comply with a request by the House of Representatives for documents related to the negotiation of the then-recently adopted Jay Treaty with the Kingdom of Great Britain.

    President Thomas Jefferson continued the precedent for this in the trial of Aaron Burr for treason in 1807. Burr asked the court to issue a subpoena duces tecum to compel Jefferson to provide his private letters concerning Burr.

    In 1833, President Andrew Jackson cited executive privilege when Senator Henry Clay demanded he produce documents concerning statements the president made to his cabinet about the removal of federal deposits from the Second Bank of the United States during the Bank War.

    During the Army–McCarthy hearings in 1954, Eisenhower used the claim of executive privilege to forbid the "provision of any data about internal conversations, meetings, or written communication among staffers, with no exception to topics or people."


    you will note the difference is this is all between presidential communications, both Obama and holder are on record that the WH was not involved in FandF, furthermore, this is justice department docs, not wh docs... Huge difference.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Obama was specifically talking about the Bush administration officials' refusal to testify. Has anyone in the Obama administration refused to testify?
    LOL. Yes, that is what executive privilege is, refusing to allow anyone to even be identified as involved is quite a few notches above merely taking the fifth. Just what "national security" interest do you see involved here? This is a SIMPLE case; WHO said to ignore crime, leading to the deaths of many, and WHY was it so ordered?
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You seem to have neglected to explain WHY you think it was "closer in similarity" to Nixon.


    Oh you are right, it's not as close, as at least nixon was admittedly involved, unlike Obama who with holder claims the WH had no knowledge. Thanks for proving my point. I appreciate it.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Listen, you tell me anytime in the history of the US that the president invoked privledge over JUSTICE DEPARTMENT documents.... Bush, for example over the AD's was that rove was an extension of the executive branch. I believe the latter was held up, and later on, rove ended up testifying. So your asinine point, is moot.


    I am the only one between us, with an argument, so I am unsure of the purpose of a tantrum now.
    Are you trying to suggest that the Justice Department isn't a part of the executive branch?

    But to your suggestion that never in the history of the US has the president had the AUDACITY to assert executive privilege over JUSTICE DEPARTMENT documnents....

    President Bush has asserted "executive privilege" and is refusing to release confidential Justice Department documents related to campaign fundraising practices during the Clinton administration to a congressional oversight committee.

    "It is my decision that you should not release these documents or otherwise make them available to the committee," Bush said in a memorandum to Attorney General John Ashcroft that was released by the White House on Thursday.

    "Because I believe that congressional access to these documents would be contrary to the national interest, I have decided to assert executive privilege with respect to the documents and to instruct you not to release them or otherwise make them available to the committee," the president said.

    http://articles.cnn.com/2001-12-14/p...PM:ALLPOLITICS
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You seem to deal only in jibber jabber. You want to claim that the last time something like this happened was under Nixon ... is he president? No, the last time it happened -- TWICE -- was under Bush. Once it involved the AG scandal and the other time it involved the Valerie Plame scandal. Were those both admissions that of Bush's involvement? Obviously not, as the executive privilege extends to members of the executive branch -- not just the president himself.

    This isn't exactly a new thing. The privilege was first asserted by George Washington.
    Translation What Adam is saying - blah blah blah blah blah Bush did it also. Blah blah blah blah I love Obama so much I want to bow down before him and lick the dirt between his toes. Blah blah blah blah bloah Bush did it twice so quit saying bad things about Obama. Blah blah blah blah you're all just racists blah blah blah.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Oh you are right, it's not as close, as at least nixon was admittedly involved, unlike Obama who with holder claims the WH had no knowledge. Thanks for proving my point. I appreciate it.
    ... he said, still failing to grasp that the executive privilege extends to the exeutive branch and not just the WH ... and that the Justice Department is part of the executive branch....
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Oh you are right, it's not as close, as at least nixon was admittedly involved, unlike Obama who with holder claims the WH had no knowledge. Thanks for proving my point. I appreciate it.
    and Rev.. you are so right.. and lets not forget, we sadly have a dead American border guard here.. so its extremely offensive to all rational people what Obama and Holder are colluding on here..

    Thank You Rev for making this thread..Id like to take part more but Im too pointed up to be able to enjoy much around here or id be posting lots of support..

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