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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Ok, so...why the executive privilege? [...]
    Have you read Holder's letter to Obama?

    If not, I'd think it would answer your question:

    [...]as the head of the Department of Justice, I respectfully request that you assert executive privilege over the identified documents. This letter sets forth the basis for my legal judgment that you may properly do so.

    READ: Attorney General Eric Holder’s Letter to President Obama Requesting Executive Privilege Over ‘Fast and Furious’ Documents | Fox News Insider

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No need to be nasty, just didn't notice it. Hey, I'm old and sight is the third thing to go .

    So Holder didn't pull the trigger, are you seriously saying he wasn't aware of the program?
    I said that your claim was a falsehood. Since you concur, our interaction on that matter is concluded.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Have you read Holder's letter to Obama?

    If not, I'd think it would answer your question:
    Like I said, the only way that the "Documents in Question" are protected under Executive Privilege, is if they concern the actions and communications of the President himself. That doesn't extend to the entire Executive branch, which includes most of the organs of the federal government.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Like I said, the only way that the "Documents in Question" are protected under Executive Privilege, is if they concern the actions and communications of the President himself. That doesn't extend to the entire Executive branch, which includes most of the organs of the federal government.
    are you wanting us to believe the staff of the executive branch do not work at the direction of the Executive
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The argument, of course, is that producing the genormous number of documents that Issa has requested would jeopardize many ongoing Justice Department investigations, and violote executive privilege.

    Did you attack attack Bush and his AG when they asserted executive privilege in connection with the DA scandal?
    What happen to transparency? Hmmm?
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    What happen to transparency? Hmmm?
    It will just have to wait until after king Barrack's next, and final, inaguration. Yes he did! ;-)
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Actually, a bunch of weapons were lost in Mexico as a result of Wide Receiver, and they did NOT coordinate the operation with Mexico. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln...

    Emails Rebuff Republican Suggestion That Bush-Era ‘Gun Walking’ Was Always Coordinated With Mexico | TPMMuckraker
    No exactly, they notified the Mexican govt when the guns crossed the border.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Another gift to Romney from the gift that keeps on giving Hussein Obama........There is no question this guy is grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory..........
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    are you wanting us to believe the staff of the executive branch do not work at the direction of the Executive
    No, in fact, I'm wanting you to believe that they do. And...he is responsible for them. He can't claim that he didn't know about it; Holder can't claim he didn't know about it; and invoke EP.

    That's exactly the point.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    There are committees within Congress that have access to classified information on a daily basis. Starting with the 104th Congress, all House members were required to take a secrecy oath. There are methods in place to allow the committee members to view the information without releasing it to the public. If they violate their oath and responsibilities then hold them accountable. As it currently stands it too easy to hide misdoings under the veil of operational secrecy.
    Classified information comes in many levels. Operational details against a campaign against the cartel is probably amongst the information you need to be the very most careful with. People in the DOJ who have access to that kind of information get years of training, they only keep it in physical files in ultra secure facilities or ultra secure computer systems that are not connected to the outside world in any way. The DOJ never releases the names of anybody who has access to that kind of information. If you just hand it over to a Congressional committee, literally, unpaid 19 year old interns get access to it, and the cartel would know every one of their names because it is all public record. Congresspeople have no training, no secure bunkers to keep their files in, just normal office computers hooked up to the internet...

    Now, some times information that highly secure has been shared with Congresspeople. For example, leading up to the Iraq war, Bush brought in one senator and one representative from each party to much more secure briefings on some of the most secret stuff. Obama brought in members of both parties on the Bin Laden killing. But, that is a VERY different thing than this. Who those folks are is carefully negotiated by the parties and the administration. They're usually moderates. They're people that everybody trusts. They often, if not always, have had a top security clearance in the relevant area previously for some reason or another because they were in the military or the DOJ or something previously. I mean, if you want to, say, send in McCain and Kerry to review the documents, I'd be totally fine with that.

    But Issa is a whole different deal. He is not John McCain. He's a hothead. He's a Joe McCarthy. A scandalmaker. That's his schtick. Trying to manufacture scandals for the conspiracy nuts. Nobody trusts him, nor should they. Turning ultra sensitive information over to a guy like that would get a lot of people killed for no reason other than to fuel his headline grabbing spasm. And turning it over to a whole committee, that should never happen.
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