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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2


    Rep. Issa has said he's going to have hearings 7 days a week, though out each session ontil President Obama is gone. He isn't interested in facts, just pushing his partisan agenda. As is anyone backing his play (You come to mind).
    He isn't even pretending to be unbiased. That other R, I forget his name clarified the whole thing when he blurted out that it was about AG Holder trying to stop the voter purge in Florida. He could have added refusing to enforce DOMA & sueing Arizona for the "Papers Please" Law.
    Your Fox Talking points are full of holes, BTW.

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Why dont you take your special little snowflake font and get some new talking points, yours are false.

    Wide reciever and F&F were separate programs with different operational knowledge (the Mexican government knew about WR, WR was shut down when the first weapon crossed the Mexican border and could not be tracked). F&F was done without Mexican Government knowledge and even some US agencies had no knowledge of the activities. Anyone parroting the false WR/FF parity talking point is going to get a lot of hostility; even Holder had to back off that point before Congress when he was under oath, he knew it was false.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Since we dont have ALL the memos regarding how things have gone down, all we have to go on are the words of Dems playing CYA to blame BOOOOOOOSSSSSSHHHH. Seems legit.
    Everything is still the fault of George Bush, establishing a record of blaming the predecessor unmatched in the history of the United States.

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    It seems this was the only way he could achieve celebrity status, and he is certainly making the most of it.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Since we dont have ALL the memos regarding how things have gone down, all we have to go on are the words of Dems playing CYA to blame BOOOOOOOSSSSSSHHHH. Seems legit.
    Yeah, about as legitimate as this Issa lynch mob.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    Bush didn't "start this program". This is an entirely different one. During bush the guns were supposed to be stopped by authorities at the border itself. [...]


    Come on guys, put down the Kool Aid; this is like shooting fish in a barrel.

    The first known ATF "gunwalking" operation to Mexican drug cartels, named Operation Wide Receiver, began in early 2006 and ran into late 2007. Licensed dealer Mike Detty informed the ATF of a suspicious gun purchase that took place in February 2006 in Tucson, Arizona. In March he was hired as a confidential informant working with the ATF's Tucson office, part of their Phoenix, Arizona field division.[23] With the use of surveillance equipment, ATF agents monitored additional sales by Detty to straw purchasers. With assurance from ATF "that Mexican officials would be conducting surveillance or interdictions when guns got to the other side of the border",[24] Detty would sell a total of about 450 guns during the operation.[22] These included AR-15s, semi-automatic AK-pattern rifles, and Colt .38s. The vast majority of the guns were eventually lost as they moved into Mexico.[7][23][25]

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Why dont you take your special little snowflake font and get some new talking points, yours are false.

    Wide reciever and F&F were separate programs with different operational knowledge (the Mexican government knew about WR, WR was shut down when the first weapon crossed the Mexican border and could not be tracked). F&F was done without Mexican Government knowledge and even some US agencies had no knowledge of the activities. Anyone parroting the false WR/FF parity talking point is going to get a lot of hostility; even Holder had to back off that point before Congress when he was under oath, he knew it was false.
    Yet wide receiver and F&F were both operated out of the same ATF office.Kinda odd don't you think?
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    [...] Wide reciever and F&F were separate programs with different operational knowledge (the Mexican government knew about WR, WR was shut down when the first weapon crossed the Mexican border and could not be tracked). [...]
    "The vast majority of the guns were eventually lost as they moved into Mexico."

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by treedancer View Post
    Yet wide receiver and F&F were both operated out of the same ATF office.Kinda odd don't you think?
    But-but-but Republicans were in the White House, that makes it d-i-f-f-e-r-e-n-t

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    When the smoke clears, everyone will eventually realize that the precedent set in both In re Sealed Case (Espy) and Judicial Watch v. Department of Justice show that Executive Privilege doesn't apply.

    No amount of hand wringing will change that.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Wikipedia - a non-partisan source of accurate information.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

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