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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

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    Your argument seems to presume that Congress has the right to view any Executive branch document that it wishes. Congress does not have that right, as has been argued -- successfully -- by the Executive many times in the past. Security does not necessarily have anything to do with it.
    I am not arguing that. I fully recognize that Obama is within his legal rights to invoke executive privilege just as previous Presidents have. I am saying he shouldn't. I am saying I disagree with the law. Over the decades the office of the President has grown too powerful and I would like to see that trend reversed, or at least halted.

    I can't help but think that many of my fellow lefties who are shrugging this off would be outraged if a Republican president had done the same thing. I know I would have. And yes, I think many of the outraged conservative folks would have made excuses for it if the President were a Republican. I am doing my best to be consistent in how I apply my criticism. I don't always succeed, but I am trying.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2


    Rep. Issa is the Joe McCarty of the modern era!!!! He has proven time & again that he isn't interested in gathering facts. An all male hearing on Womans Health for example.(oh sure he rounded up a couple of dryed up old coochies for the 2nd session, after the media complained)
    This hearing isn't about the ATF's program, it is about discrediting AG Holder & through him President Obama. Holder closed down the program, yet they (Issa) haven't suppenaed the Bush officals who started the program. They (Issa) have censered their own witnesses when they offered facts that were favorable to the AG. The whole thing is right out of Kaffka & we are tettering on the brink of full blown Fascism.

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    i find it amazing how this administration is avoiding the government process to investigate the fast and furious debacle. Given this move, I am curious as to the opinions of others on this matter.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

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    Your argument seems to presume that Congress has the right to view any Executive branch document that it wishes. Congress does not have that right, as has been argued -- successfully -- by the Executive many times in the past. Security does not necessarily have anything to do with it.
    Its funny. The entire meme of the administration was that the higher ups had no operational knowledge and control of this particular policy and that it was administered on the local level. But now it is being shielded from oversight by executive privilige, indicating that high level administration officials were communicating. So which time were they lying?

    It all looks like an assertion of executive privilige to avoid revealing documents that would show lying to congressional oversight. Which is not a proper assertion of E.P.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by jpevans View Post

    Rep. Issa is the Joe McCarty of the modern era!!!! He has proven time & again that he isn't interested in gathering facts. An all male hearing on Womans Health for example.(oh sure he rounded up a couple of dryed up old coochies for the 2nd session, after the media complained)
    This hearing isn't about the ATF's program, it is about discrediting AG Holder & through him President Obama. Holder closed down the program, yet they (Issa) haven't suppenaed the Bush officals who started the program. They (Issa) have censered their own witnesses when they offered facts that were favorable to the AG. The whole thing is right out of Kaffka & we are tettering on the brink of full blown Fascism.
    Bush didn't "start this program". This is an entirely different one. During bush the guns were supposed to be stopped by authorities at the border itself. Oh, and I bet Eric "free the black panthers" Holder surely gave him all info on Bush era information anyway. Can you show me your posts about Karl Rove and Harriet miers witchhunts, btw?

    You should love Fascism if you voted for Obama anyway, since that's his entire presidency thus far. Mabye that's why all these progressives and liberals on this forum make new accounts, so they can't get busted for their constant double standards and hypocrisy.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by jpevans View Post

    Rep. Issa is the Joe McCarty of the modern era!!!! He has proven time & again that he isn't interested in gathering facts. An all male hearing on Womans Health for example.(oh sure he rounded up a couple of dryed up old coochies for the 2nd session, after the media complained)
    This hearing isn't about the ATF's program, it is about discrediting AG Holder & through him President Obama. Holder closed down the program, yet they (Issa) haven't suppenaed the Bush officals who started the program. They (Issa) have censered their own witnesses when they offered facts that were favorable to the AG. The whole thing is right out of Kaffka & we are tettering on the brink of full blown Fascism.
    Why dont you take your special little snowflake font and get some new talking points, yours are false.

    Wide reciever and F&F were separate programs with different operational knowledge (the Mexican government knew about WR, WR was shut down when the first weapon crossed the Mexican border and could not be tracked). F&F was done without Mexican Government knowledge and even some US agencies had no knowledge of the activities. Anyone parroting the false WR/FF parity talking point is going to get a lot of hostility; even Holder had to back off that point before Congress when he was under oath, he knew it was false.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post

    It all looks like an assertion of executive privilige to avoid revealing documents that would show lying to congressional oversight. Which is not a proper assertion of E.P.
    There is no other possible explanation. Anything else is just noise.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

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    ...dryed up old coochies...
    I'm sorry, which side are you claiming is misogynistic?
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Why dont you take your special little snowflake font and get some new talking points, yours are false.

    Wide reciever and F&F were separate programs with different operational knowledge (the Mexican government knew about WR, WR was shut down when the first weapon crossed the Mexican border and could not be tracked). F&F was done without Mexican Government knowledge and even some US agencies had no knowledge of the activities. Anyone parroting the false WR/FF parity talking point is going to get a lot of hostility; even Holder had to back off that point before Congress when he was under oath, he knew it was false.
    Actually, a bunch of weapons were lost in Mexico as a result of Wide Receiver, and they did NOT coordinate the operation with Mexico. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln...

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...ith_mexico.php
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Why dont you take your special little snowflake font and get some new talking points, yours are false.

    Wide reciever and F&F were separate programs with different operational knowledge (the Mexican government knew about WR, WR was shut down when the first weapon crossed the Mexican border and could not be tracked). F&F was done without Mexican Government knowledge and even some US agencies had no knowledge of the activities. Anyone parroting the false WR/FF parity talking point is going to get a lot of hostility; even Holder had to back off that point before Congress when he was under oath, he knew it was false.

    aer you saying that Libs are out to lunch and have no clue on facts?... : )

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Actually, a bunch of weapons were lost in Mexico as a result of Wide Receiver, and they did NOT coordinate the operation with Mexico. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln...

    Emails Rebuff Republican Suggestion That Bush-Era ‘Gun Walking’ Was Always Coordinated With Mexico | TPMMuckraker
    Since we dont have ALL the memos regarding how things have gone down, all we have to go on are the words of Dems playing CYA to blame BOOOOOOOSSSSSSHHHH. Seems legit.

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