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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    1. By reading (reliable sources).
    2. By thinking (rationally).
    OHHHHHHHHH.... and what reliable sources? please share... and "thinking'... really? I think we all do that..

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    The White House did not order a B & E. There is some question as to whether Nixon ordered it. The downfall of Nixon lay in the coverup and the lying about the issue. Nixon destroyed documents, most notably 26 or so minutes of a recording, and refused to give documents to Congress. Do you see a pattern here?

    Several high level officials went to jail over Watergate, Nixon lost his job. Hopefully, the pattern will continue.

    As for your assertion that a petty breakin in an office building compares to a botched program where 200 people were killed. I would have to disagree.
    Primarily, Watergate was a cover up by the president of serious crimes aimed at subverting the democratic process.

    In contrast, this is a case where documents have been declared priveleged to protect ongoing criminal investigations and probably the identities of undercover agents and confidential informants. The purpose of the underlying operation was to stem the flow of illegal, black market guns from the US to Mexican drug cartels.

    Very similar.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Here is the basic understanding on claiming Executive Privilege. Unless the Administration can prove these 3 points concerning DOJ documents themselves, there isn't much hope that it will stand.

    Note: While the document is long in coming to its conclusion, its actually a very good read.

    http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/104284.pdf

    1. The protected communication must relate to a “quintessential and nondelegable
    presidential power.” Espy and Judicial Watch involved the
    appointment and removal and the pardon powers, respectively. Other core,
    direct precedential decisionmaking powers include the Commander-in-
    Chief power, the sole authority to receive ambassadors and other public
    ministers, and the power to negotiate treaties. It would arguably not
    include decisionmaking with respect to laws that vest policymaking and
    administrative implementation authority in the heads of department and
    agencies or which allow presidential delegations of authority.

    2. The communication must be authored or “solicited and received” by a
    close White House advisor (or the President). The judicial test is that an
    advisor must be in “operational proximity” with the President. This
    effectively means that the scope of the presidential communications
    privilege extends only to the administrative boundaries of the Executive
    Office of the President and the White House.

    3. The presidential communications privilege remains a qualified privilege
    that may be overcome by a showing that the information sought “likely
    contains important evidence” and the unavailability of the information
    elsewhere by an appropriate investigating authority. The Espy court found
    an adequate showing of need by the Independent Counsel; while in
    Judicial Watch, the court found the privilege did not apply, and the
    deliberative process privilege was unavailing.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    OHHHHHHHHH.... and what reliable sources? please share...
    The L.A. Times, the Washington Post, and Politifact Texas all cite officials and/or official reports that the bullet was too badly damaged to be matched to a particular rifle. Not to mention the FBI ballistics report itself (which blows Molon Labe's sematic argument out of the water, BTW). This is essentially beyond dispute, and has already been pointed out at least once in this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    and "thinking'... really? I think we all do that..
    I think you're wrong. When you include the parenthetical that I provided in the original, a preponderance of the evidence indicates that you're wrong.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    The L.A. Times, the Washington Post, and Politifact Texas all cite officials and/or official reports that the bullet was too badly damaged to be matched to a particular rifle. Not to mention the FBI ballistics report itself (which blows Molon Labe's sematic argument out of the water, BTW). This is essentially beyond dispute, and has already been pointed out at least once in this thread.
    I believe you are right. The bullet was too badly damaged to be positively identified. But two weapons found at the crime scene were positively identified as coming from the F&F
    guns. Does it really matter which gun fired the killing bullet?
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Primarily, Watergate was a cover up by the president of serious crimes aimed at subverting the democratic process.

    In contrast, this is a case where documents have been declared priveleged to protect ongoing criminal investigations and probably the identities of undercover agents and confidential informants. The purpose of the underlying operation was to stem the flow of illegal, black market guns from the US to Mexican drug cartels.

    Very similar.
    Nice try, Mr. I Love Obama, but even the president's own press secretary did not even try that angle. The angle being used is that these documents are INTERNAL executive branch communications basically about what not to disclose. LOL

    Link: Watch: Fox News Reporter Ed Henry Challenges Jay Carney on Executive Privilege During WH Press Briefing | Fox News Insider
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Primarily, Watergate was a cover up by the president of serious crimes aimed at subverting the democratic process.

    In contrast, this is a case where documents have been declared priveleged to protect ongoing criminal investigations and probably the identities of undercover agents and confidential informants. The purpose of the underlying operation was to stem the flow of illegal, black market guns from the US to Mexican drug cartels.

    Very similar.

    Man... how do you do it?...

    they are similar.. as F and F is about POLICY here on gun control to GET VOTES ..and people are dying.. like an American Border Patrol officer...

    it had NOTHING to do with Guns in Mexico.. as Obama dont give a F about about that.. he is about CONTROLING and social re-engineering and us civilains losing our liberty.. its all about goverment,.

    but they are not similar in this is FAR WORSE... and this marxist moron Kenyan Frank Marshall Hussein Obama said "he didnt know about it" so dont lie to us and say he was "trying to stem the tide of guns" when he said he had no idea of F and F...,so which line of BS you gonna try to jive us with now in your Pelosi bag of BS...

    Priceless..you sound like Obama, you paint yourself into a corner or BS just like Obama... now which is it? he knew or didnt know?...
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    I believe you are right. The bullet was too badly damaged to be positively identified. But two weapons found at the crime scene were positively identified as coming from the F&F guns. Does it really matter which gun fired the killing bullet?
    Not to me. But it must matter greatly to the right, since they keep insisting on repeating a known falsehood, which then makes their entire agenda on the matter suspect.

    They claim to want the truth, but then they lie to get it.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    The L.A. Times, the Washington Post, and Politifact Texas all cite officials and/or official reports that the bullet was too badly damaged to be matched to a particular rifle. Not to mention the FBI ballistics report itself (which blows Molon Labe's sematic argument out of the water, BTW). This is essentially beyond dispute, and has already been pointed out at least once in this thread.



    I think you're wrong. When you include the parenthetical that I provided in the original, a preponderance of the evidence indicates that you're wrong.

    hahahaaaaa.. you said reliable source ( which you proved you have no idea what one is).. not yellow journalism out of liberal rags that are Obama cheerleading squads...

    thanks .. I need the laugh...
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    [...] and "thinking'... really? I think we all do that..
    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    hahahaaaaa.. you said reliable source ( which you proved you have no idea what one is).. not yellow journalism out of liberal rags that are Obama cheerleading squads...

    thanks .. I need the laugh...
    Case closed.

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