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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Isn't it funny how liberals celebrate Watergate at every turn, yet this is so vastly more serious than Watergate?

    Because they're covering up how exactly?

    What more could we know about this?


    This is Issa showboating.

    If you can't see this as political theater, then I feel sorry for you.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Because they're covering up how exactly?

    What more could we know about this?


    This is Issa showboating.

    If you can't see this as political theater, then I feel sorry for you.
    Show boating is Pelosis saying she could "arrest Rove at any time she wanted".... thats showboating and lying

    this is not ... you can spin all you want for the fraud Kenyan Frank marshall Davis offspring.

    Obama Knew About Gun Walking Program in 2009 – Used “Fast & Furious” To Make Case For Gun Regulations (Video)
    Posted by Jim Hoft on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 4:55 AM
    Barack Obama knew about the gun walking program in March 2009.
    The Right Scoop reported:

    In April 2009 Barack Obama traveled to Mexico and blamed US gun sellers for violence south of the border. Obama told his Mexican audience, “This war being waged with guns purchased not here but in the United States.” Just to be sure, a few months later the Obama Administration started running their own guns to Mexico, at least 2,000 guns.

    Barack Obama, April 16, 2009:

    “This war is being waged with guns purchased not here but in the United States… more than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States, many from gun shops that lay in our shared border. So we have responsibilities as well.”

    There is also proof that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives discussed using “Fast and Furious” to push for new regulations on gun sales.

    Yesterday the Obama White House refused to turn over documents on the Fast and Furious gun walking program.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012...lations-video/

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Obama told issa to kiss his ass
    who would have then expected the faux outrage from the reich wing as a result [/s]
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Isn't it funny how liberals celebrate Watergate at every turn, yet this is so vastly more serious than Watergate?
    Most liberals don't even know what Watergate was about. They think it was some grand national-security threat or organized crime spree.
    By what measure? Watergate was about the White House ordering/sanctioning a felony (an break-in and wire taps) waged against a political opponent for the purpose of manipulating the outcome of an election. The major item here was a conspiracy to commit a felony followed by a conspiracy to cover-up, which included money being paid as consideration for the cover-up. The actions were planned and carried out with the White House knowledge and it became increasingly apparent that the President was involved in the cover-up of the crime. This is corruption at the highest levels of government.

    This other thing is silly nonsense. Yes, someone was killed, maybe by a gun that was part of the sting, but his death was in no way related to the ATF actions.... and the rest of this is political theatre of the highest order. It is a head fake from scrutiny that the ReCons have zero idea how to fix the economy.

    If you think this is vastly more serious that Watergate, me thinks your moral compass needs realignment.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Seriously, you have to ask why the DOJ would not just hand over a ton of sensitive documents about the war against the cartel to a bunch of right wing political hacks? Do you have any idea what the cartel would do to get its hands on that kind of information? They would kill, kidnap, break in to federal buildings, whatever they need to do. In order to get access to that kind of information within the DOJ you get vetted and trained for years first and your name is never publicly released. They have extensive procedures to make sure everything is encrypted and transfers of the information are super secure, etc. You think they should just hand it over to some Republicans and their unpaid interns and whatnot? That would be insane. Hell, odds are that the Republicans would opt to just release whatever made Obama look bad to the press. They don't give a sh1t.
    Why do you think the documents are sensitive?

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You know it is a lie? How do you know that?

    We do know that two of the weapons found at the shooting site were from F 'n' F. Where is the weapon which killed the US border guard and who fired the shot?

    There were two weapons found at the murder scene of Agent Terry. According to the FBI report they could not determine absolutely "which" firearm fired the bullet that killed him because the bullet had fragmented on impact; they could only determine a partial match.

    The report did not refer to "what" firearm killed him, but rather "which" firearm. The two firearms found at the murder scene were the firearms that were forensically tested to determine if either was used to shoot Agent Terry.

    Therefore the FBI report distinctly refers to the firearm that killed Agent Terry as being at the murder scene. They just couldn't determine absolutely "which one."

    FBI report at odds with ATF claim on weapons
    A copy of the FBI document shows ballistics tests did not rule out the Fast and Furious guns in the death of Border Patrol Agent Brian A. Terry.
    July 27, 2011|By Richard A. Serrano, Washington Bureau


    Reporting from Washington — The claim by senior ATF officials that none of the weapons lost in the botched Fast and Furious sting operation were used in the shooting of a Border Patrol agent is not supported by FBI ballistics tests, according to a copy of the FBI report on the shooting.
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    Last week, spokesmen Scot Thomasson and Drew Wade of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives told The Times that the FBI had assured them that neither of the two Fast and Furious weapons found at the scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian A. Terry's death were the ones that killed the agent.

    "We're not aware of any forensic evidence that would link these guns to the homicide," they said.

    A copy of the FBI report obtained by The Times' Washington bureau shows ballistics tests did not rule out the Fast and Furious guns.

    Experts went to work on tests on Dec. 17, three days after Terry was killed, FBI records show. On Dec. 23, the FBI's "Report of Examination" said the fatal bullet came from a semiautomatic rifle, but that "due to a lack of sufficient agreement in the individual microscopic marks of value" on the weapons, "it could not be determined" which gun fired it.
    Additionally, the article also reports how the ATF misrepresents the FBI report. More creative denial, just like some here at DP perpetuate.
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    The Second Amendment has nothing to do with guns.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    By what measure? Watergate was about the White House ordering/sanctioning a felony (an break-in and wire taps) waged against a political opponent for the purpose of manipulating the outcome of an election. The major item here was a conspiracy to commit a felony followed by a conspiracy to cover-up, which included money being paid as consideration for the cover-up. The actions were planned and carried out with the White House knowledge and it became increasingly apparent that the President was involved in the cover-up of the crime. This is corruption at the highest levels of government.

    This other thing is silly nonsense. Yes, someone was killed, maybe by a gun that was part of the sting, but his death was in no way related to the ATF actions.... and the rest of this is political theatre of the highest order. It is a head fake from scrutiny that the ReCons have zero idea how to fix the economy.

    If you think this is vastly more serious that Watergate, me thinks your moral compass needs realignment.
    The White House did not order a B & E. There is some question as to whether Nixon ordered it. The downfall of Nixon lay in the coverup and the lying about the issue. Nixon destroyed documents, most notably 26 or so minutes of a recording, and refused to give documents to Congress. Do you see a pattern here?

    Several high level officials went to jail over Watergate, Nixon lost his job. Hopefully, the pattern will continue.

    As for your assertion that a petty breakin in an office building compares to a botched program where 200 people were killed. I would have to disagree.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    By what measure? Watergate was about the White House ordering/sanctioning a felony (an break-in and wire taps) waged against a political opponent for the purpose of manipulating the outcome of an election. .
    Kind of like not requiring voter ID or amnesty for illegals? That kind of election rigging?

    Watergate was one side trying to get intel on the other side, which is happening right now by both Obama's and Romney's campaign at this very moment. Nixon was paranoid, and stepped way over a line and got busted for it, but it wasn't out of the ordinary before or since. Hypocrisy at its finest.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You know it is a lie? How do you know that? [...]
    1. By reading (reliable sources).
    2. By thinking (rationally).
    Last edited by Karl; 06-21-12 at 03:33 PM.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    There were two weapons found at the murder scene of Agent Terry. According to the FBI report they could not determine absolutely "which" firearm fired the bullet that killed him because the bullet had fragmented on impact; they could only determine a partial match.

    The report did not refer to "what" firearm killed him, but rather "which" firearm. The two firearms found at the murder scene were the firearms that were forensically tested to determine if either was used to shoot Agent Terry.

    Therefore the FBI report distinctly refers to the firearm that killed Agent Terry as being at the murder scene. They just couldn't determine absolutely "which one."
    A classic example of why semantics and logic don't mix

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