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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    It is your strawman that is pulling your leg. The poster I was trying to debate was claiming NO arrests and NO recoveries. His tune changed, so I switched to a different channel.
    How many arrests BEFORE the F&F lid was blown off? Sure once the lights come on then you scamble for cover, make some quickie arrests for show, I am trying to find the arrests BEFORE the cat was out of the bag. Can you help with that?
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    It actually appears that was not the argument he was making.
    You quoted his post #295. He first attracted my attention with this:

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640, in post #255 View Post
    WHO authorized fast & fuzzy and WHY. Why did about 2,000 guns, their serial numbers carefully logged by federal agents, get sold to KNOWN cartel straw buyers and then suddenly "disappear", with NO arrests or recovery of the weapons? "Whoopsie", just won't cut it any more. Hmm...
    When proven to be in error, he changed his tune with the post you quote.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeppers, you've just described an investigation. Try withholding evidence from the police in an investigation.
    What crime are the police investigating?

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Since you don't seem to keep up:
    I keep up quite well. So much so, in fact, that I am way ahead of many.

    What crime is the Terry family accusing Holder of?

    This simple question is apparently stumping the right.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by mtlhdtodd View Post
    Apparently you need to be brought up to speed also.

    Attorney General Eric Holder "sorry" for Terry family loss - CBS News Investigates - CBS News
    3 more murders linked to Gunwalker - CBS News Investigates - CBS News
    Second gun used in ICE agent murder linked to ATF undercover operation - CBS News Investigates - CBS News

    You can dance around this all you want but this is not going away and Holder should be in jail. No amount obfuscation by the vocal sycophants is going to change this.
    Do any of your links substantiate the debunked claim that a F and F weapon killed Agent Terry?

    If not, aren't you the one swaying to the right wing music?

    What crime is Holder alleged to have committed?

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    I keep up quite well. So much so, in fact, that I am way ahead of many.

    What crime is the Terry family accusing Holder of?

    This simple question is apparently stumping the right.
    Perhaps you should ask the Terry family.... Contempt of Congress so far is what's on the table... If found guilty and if it goes to sentencing (a miracle) it would carry a possible penalty of up to 1 year in prison and a very modest fine of between around $1,000. Perhaps there's yet more to be found, but so far - that it. Real stumper there Karl...

    But let's face it... getting Holder on a contempt charge after Obama has injected himself into the process with the executive privelege is just fuel for the GOP. Now they have the big fish to investigate in an election year. Much hay will be made ... prison time is nothing compared to the Fast & Furious debacle that continues to pay dividends to the Republicans.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Bigger article coming as this just happened.

    i find it amazing how this administration is avoiding the government process to investigate the fast and furious debacle. Given this move, I am curious as to the opinions of others on this matter.
    The "government process to investigate the fast and furious debacle" is going on unimpaired. This political grandstanding circus the House Republicans are doing is just political, it isn't the actual investigation. The actual investigation is being conducted be professionals who have the security clearance to see that kind of stuff.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640, in post #311 View Post
    How many arrests BEFORE the F&F lid was blown off? Sure once the lights come on then you scamble for cover, make some quickie arrests for show, I am trying to find the arrests BEFORE the cat was out of the bag. Can you help with that?
    Out of curiosity, just how heavy is that goalpost?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640, in post #255 View Post
    WHO authorized fast & fuzzy and WHY. Why did about 2,000 guns, their serial numbers carefully logged by federal agents, get sold to KNOWN cartel straw buyers and then suddenly "disappear", with NO arrests or recovery of the weapons? "Whoopsie", just won't cut it any more. Hmm...

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Perhaps you should ask the Terry family....
    Why would I do that? Are they lawyers? Prosecutors?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Contempt of Congress so far is what's on the table...
    For committing what F and F crime?

    Why is Issa investigating this? What crime is alleged to have taken place? And by whom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    But let's face it... getting Holder on a contempt charge after Obama has injected himself into the process with the executive privelege is just fuel for the GOP. Now they have the big fish to investigate in an election year. Much hay will be made ... prison time is nothing compared to the Fast & Furious debacle that continues to pay dividends to the Republicans.
    Oh, I agree completely on that one -- the GOP is having a major Viagra moment today, which simply proves that it is all a partisan witch hunt with no basis in rational thought, which also serves to denigrate Agent Terry's death while the right uses his family as sad political pawns. I doubt any instance can be found of politicians stooping so low as the Tea-influenced/wagged GOP has on this one since the McCarthy era (whom many current day conservatives champion, so that kinda figures).
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Why would I do that? Are they lawyers? Prosecutors?


    For committing what F and F crime?

    Why is Issa investigating this? What crime is alleged to have taken place? And by whom?


    Oh, I agree completely on that one -- the GOP is having a major Viagra moment today, which simply proves that it is all a partisan witch hunt with no basis in rational thought, which also serves to denigrate Agent Terry's death while the right uses his family as sad political pawns. I doubt any instance can be found of politicians stooping so low since the McCarthy era (whom many current day conservatives champion, so that kinda figures).
    That is exactly what they are trying figure out. One of our own was murdered by guns that our government supplied. There is no answers to who, or why this happened, unless of course you can tell us. Please do. Or do you even care who or why this happened?
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