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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    If just saying so made it so, you would have an excellent point. Otherwise ... not so much.
    you made a good point. Seems to apply to alot of your posts.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Still avoiding the uncomfortable topic, I see.


    Why would the president invoke privledge here? Holder stated a few months ago if he spoke to the president about FandF, Holder said "no", that means either holder is lying, or the white house is lying. either way Executive privledge seems inappropriate here on numerous levels.
    As I believe I mentioned, the privilege doesn't just apply to communications with the president. There's a reason it's called the "executive" privilege, as in executive branch, and not the "presidential" privilege. Why are you ignoring what I write? Because you have no response?
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You seem to deal only in jibber jabber. You want to claim that the last time something like this happened was under Nixon ... is he president? No, the last time it happened -- TWICE -- was under Bush. Once it involved the AG scandal and the other time it involved the Valerie Plame scandal. Were those both admissions that of Bush's involvement? Obviously not, as the executive privilege extends to members of the executive branch -- not just the president himself.

    This isn't exactly a new thing. The privilege was first asserted by George Washington.
    What POSSIBLE "national security" reason can be said to be related to WHO ordered the ignoring of crimes committed by the straw purchases of guns from licensed federal firearms dealers in the U.S.? Hmm...
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I don't deal in jibber jabber. Bush isn't the president, nor the subject of this thread. Please for once try not to deflect to the president from almost 4 years ago, in order to give a pass to the one you like.
    Of course you don't deal in jibber jabber, that would prove that people that supported Bush pulling executive privalege while crying about Obama doing it are hypocrites. Wouldn't want that now would we?

    I'll go on record and say that I think this excuse from Obama is bogus. That's not what I would call a transparent government.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Ahh here's one...


    Obama grants Holder request on 'Furious' documents as contempt vote looms | Fox News


    If holder ****ed up, why is this administration protecting him like this? We don't want guns to get in the wrong hands is what we hear from the far left. Mr. Holder, helped put guns into "the wrong hands" and American border patrolman died because of it.


    He should be held accountable, not protected.
    The administration is protecting Holder IMO because he didn't screw up. He just followed orders. There are way more than just one involved, and they all have the same boss.

    200+ people died, so far. Legal gun dealers were ordered to violate the law. Straw men were sent in to make purchases which were then delivered to criminals. If you or I had done this, we would long ago been subject to Arizona and Texas justice.

    However, Issa issued an ultimatum. Holder called his bluff The ball is in Issa's court. I'm betting the outcome will be another ultimatum.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Of course you don't deal in jibber jabber, that would prove that people that supported Bush pulling executive privalege while crying about Obama doing it are hypocrites. Wouldn't want that now would we?

    I'll go on record and say that I think this excuse from Obama is bogus. That's not what I would call a transparent government.

    You should quote me supporting bush on his use of executive order, so you don't look like you are a liar.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    As I believe I mentioned, the privilege doesn't just apply to communications with the president. There's a reason it's called the "executive" privilege, as in executive branch, and not the "presidential" privilege. Why are you ignoring what I write? Because you have no response?


    Uhm, and I gave you precedent, you ignored it to yammer on incoherently about bush. Your ignorance on executive privledge is not worthy of a further response.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What POSSIBLE "national security" reason can be said to be related to WHO ordered the ignoring of crimes committed by the straw purchases of guns from licensed federal firearms dealers in the U.S.? Hmm...
    Who knows? Maybe there are Mexican government or military figures involved? Maybe the document request is vastly overbroad and would require the production of unrelated or marginally related documents? How can there possibly be 80,000 pages of documents relevant to this minor operation? That's what Issa has requested: 80,000 pages of documents. Holder has already given him close to 10,000 pages, but apparently Issa has a larger fishing expedition in mind.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

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    It's funny, because you know he whined about stuff ad nauseum with bush, so he in attempting to out me as a hypocrite, has proven he is the hypocrite he seeks.
    It's funny, but I wasn't even posting on this forum when Bush was president, so you are talking out of your ass.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It's funny, but I wasn't even posting on this forum when Bush was president, so you are talking out of your ass.


    I am sure at whatever lame site you were posting jibber jabber on, it's there. I mean you are still doing it, why would the intelligent think you behaved differently.

    Still avoiding the topic I see.
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