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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Pretty obvious. They didn't want to invoke while there was still a chance Issa might come to his senses.
    Again, has he actually invoked EP or is this yet another delaying tactic? Issa isn't the only one asking for this investigation. As much as you'd like folks to move along, there's nothing to see here, it's not going to happen.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yeah, I'm sure the Mexicans would appreciate Holder turning over all kinds of documents containing sensitive intelligence about the cartels and gun runners.
    Just as much as they appreciated being clued in about Fast and Furious in the first place.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I meant over the past several months that Holder has ignored subpoenas. Of course, he can't now. Certainly not.
    No, that is why congress is slapping Holder with contempt of congress charges. Obama can't let the WHO and WHY of fast & fuzzy be known or he is toast, because you can't excuse "mistakes" that cost a couple hundred lives by just saying "whoops". The fear of Obama is that someone in DOJ will end up saying WHO ordered them to let 2,000 guns "walk" and then asking, that WHO, just WHY that decision was made.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What? That is the entire reason for this fast & fuzzy cover-up. Obama wants NO guns sold, tighter gun sale restrictions would certainly have "prevented" these sales, as they would prevent ALL U.S. private gun sales. The gov't did NOT provide the guns, they only PREVENTED the the licensed private firearms dealers, the local, state and even other federal law enforcement officers from stopping the THOUSANDS of straw gun purchases, made by KNOWN cartel affiliated buyers, from PRIVATE gun dealers in the soutwest; they intended for people to be killed with them and THEN using that as "proof" (in the form of traceable U.S. gun serial number records) needed to call for tighter gun control laws to "fix" the problem (that they created).
    Exactly so whatever gun control there was, he lifted, so please explain to me how gun control would have prevented this from happening, when the government lifts the rules.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Again, has he actually invoked EP or is this yet another delaying tactic? Issa isn't the only one asking for this investigation. As much as you'd like folks to move along, there's nothing to see here, it's not going to happen.
    But it can, and likely will, be stalled until after the election, then Obama and Holder can toss out some mid-level DOJ scapegoat that will take the "fall" for making "an error in judgement", and all will be forgotten.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yeah, I'm sure the Mexicans would appreciate Holder turning over all kinds of documents containing sensitive intelligence about the cartels and gun runners.
    Holder has sensitive intelligence about the drug cartels? Do you know that or are you just making it up?

    Was this intelligence behind his deciding they should have more weapons, that they may be running short?

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    But it can, and likely will, be stalled until after the election, then Obama and Holder can toss out some mid-level DOJ scapegoat that will take the "fall" for making "an error in judgement", and all will be forgotten.
    I agree, that's what they're going for. But this may end up being a bit more of a stink then they can handle while trying to get re-elected. If they can't minimize the issue enough before the election, Holder may very well end up being the goat.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Indeed it was a screw up, over 200 dead and no tough gun control got called for. Oh well, Obama still gets to look presidential and the press is no longer looking at the economy. Obama is VERY good at campaigning, just not so good at governing. Now congress looks stupid, so they will get all mad and mean, making Obama look cool, calm and presidential by comparison. Yes he did!
    200 until they stopped counting and trying to trace the weapons.

    Many more people died and have died since that can be traced. 200 is a very low number.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    WHO authorized fast & fuzzy and WHY.
    1. That is irrelevant unless your claim is that Fast and Furious was illegal. Is that your claim?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Why did about 2,000 guns, their serial numbers carefully logged by federal agents, get sold to KNOWN cartel straw buyers
    That was the intent of the program, so "why?" in this case is a pointless question.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    and then suddenly "disappear", with NO arrests or recovery of the weapons?
    Read all about it. There are even pictures of recovered weapons :

    Tuesday, January 25, 2011 -- Federal authorities announced charges today against 34 Arizonans accused of buying about 700 guns in gun stores in the state on behalf of Mexico's Sinaloa drug cartel.

    Borderland Beat: Feds charge 34 Arizonans for trafficking weapons to Sinaloa cartel
    Alternate link: 34 face gunrunning charges in Arizona - Washington Times

    May I suggest a more comprehensive source of information that what your post is apparently based upon?

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Shielding the president from "political damage" is not a sufficient reason to claim Executive Priviledge. [...]
    That would be correct, assuming that is the only reason it was claimed. Do you have any evidence that is the case?

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