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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    My question is this: Does the AG have the right to ignore a subpoena?

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    That right there was one the promises he made that attracted me to the guy. Of course the moment he had our votes and attained the office, he went the other way.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    My question is this: Does the AG have the right to ignore a subpoena?
    If the POTUS so orders, by invoking "executive privilege", yes, as he has little choice but to obey his boss. ;-)
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Has the POTUS actually invoked EP in this case, or is it so far that Holder is just using the threat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Evidence Holder is hiding from Congress with the help of the POTUS.

    Hey, I thought Romney was the flip-flopper.



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    Fact is that no president in at least 30 years has gone this long before asserting the privilege.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    If the POTUS so orders, by invoking "executive privilege", yes, as he has little choice but to obey his boss. ;-)
    I meant over the past several months that Holder has ignored subpoenas. Of course, he can't now. Certainly not.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Fact is that no president in at least 30 years has gone this long before asserting the privilege.
    OK, skippy, then why stall for over a year and then invoke it? You, and I and most of the nation can see this as a smoke screen to get Holder out of the fast & fuzzy jam. It is just too much coincidence that the day of Holder/DOJ reckoning is the day of the EP decision. These morons in the DOJ were finally about to have to spill the beans, so king Obama had to call a time-out. If there was REALLY any national secuity reason or state secret involved it was clearly not just discovered today. This is just Obama using the EP out of desperation to avoid the WHO, and especially the WHY, of fast & fuzzy from being proven and made public.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    WHO authorized fast & fuzzy and WHY. Why did about 2,000 guns, their serial numbers carefully logged by federal agents, get sold to KNOWN cartel straw buyers and then suddenly "disappear", with NO arrests or recovery of the weapons? "Whoopsie", just won't cut it any more. Hmm...
    It's best to keep it a secret from the American people, otherwise it might damage the close relationship with Mexico politicians and the drug cartels.

    It's all very transparent, just like he promised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    OK, skippy, then why stall for over a year and then invoke it? You, and I and most of the nation can see this as a smoke screen to get Holder out of the fast & fuzzy jam. It is just too much coincidence that the day of Holder/DOJ reckoning is the day of the EP decision. These morons in the DOJ were finally about to have to spill the beans, so king Obama had to call a time-out. If there was REALLY any national secuity reason or state secret involved it was clearly not just discovered today. This is just Obama using the EP out of desperation to avoid the WHO, and especially the WHY, of fast & fuzzy from being proven and made public.
    Pretty obvious. They didn't want to invoke while there was still a chance Issa might come to his senses.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's best to keep it a secret from the American people, otherwise it might damage the close relationship with Mexico politicians and the drug cartels.

    It's all very transparent, just like he promised.
    Yeah, I'm sure the Mexicans would appreciate Holder turning over all kinds of documents containing sensitive intelligence about the cartels and gun runners.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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