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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    A straight party-line vote.
    Showing once again that liberals have no testicles or spine.

    Not a problem. Holder will be investigated by a US attorney, or possibly a Special Prosecutor. He will be indicted. And hopefully, found guilty.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    A straight party-line vote.
    and how is that surprising? Dems don't have the courage to stand up to their party and the President selections.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Showing once again that liberals have no testicles or spine.

    Not a problem. Holder will be investigated by a US attorney, or possibly a Special Prosecutor. He will be indicted. And hopefully, found guilty.
    Next year. After Obama's gone. No presidential pardons for Eric.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    If we ever get the truth .... and it is not as Holder has said, or they would not go to this length to stop a "witch hunt", it will be that this was all part of a gun control scheme. Holder and Hillary were starting to beat the gun-control drums back in 2009 over assault rifles ending up in Mexico. Hillary said it right in Mexico City, standing with their President. That was not just some coincidence. That was the intent of FF. Holder is also on record multiple times about gun control.

    All the pieces are there, and it fully explains the stalling, and now Obama's unprecedented actions. Never been EP invoked for such as this. It also flies against the standrds set by SCOTUS, as earlier documented.

    Many have noted this already. But it bears repeating. An illegal yet deliberate sham operation to provoke gun control. That's the prize here. That is what must remain hidden.

    There are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons. I think that will have a positive impact in Mexico at a minimum. Eric Holder. Feb 25, 2009
    This war is being waged with guns purchased not here, but in the United States. More than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States, many from gun shops that line our shared border. Hillary Clinton. Mexico City. Apr 2009
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So in otherwords, we'll hand over 1300 more, not all of them but 1300 more if you agree to close the investigation.... ****, I'll remember that tactic the next time I fight a speeding ticket in court. /facepalm
    Once again, the way you're coming from it is that one side is absolutely telling the truth and one side is completely lying. It is not fact that Holder said they'd have to close the investigation. He claimed that he offered them the documents under the condition that those documents satisfy the current subpena that was made for documents. They have been investigating this for quite some time now and if it is true that Holder turned over 7600 pages and is willing to submit another 1300 pages under the conditions that Issa will drop the current subpena, (not the investigation) and that would allow Holder to drop this issue and actually focus on other issues confronting the country, i would completely understand it.

    Also, I'm not sure exactly how much documentation you want on this. Assuming that he has turned over that much and is willing to submit another 1300, that equals 8900 pages. I heard conservatives whine for a year that the health care bill was 2000+ pages. Funny how 2000 pages is just insane when it's a democrat bill, but when it's information that conservatives want, 8900 just isn't even close.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Akston View Post
    It doesn't go to the Senate. The house now votes on this and then it's official.
    That is something I did not know. I was sure that it would have to be voted on bicamerally. Makes sense though because it is a House action.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Once again, the way you're coming from it is that one side is absolutely telling the truth and one side is completely lying. It is not fact that Holder said they'd have to close the investigation. He claimed that he offered them the documents under the condition that those documents satisfy the current subpena that was made for documents. They have been investigating this for quite some time now and if it is true that Holder turned over 7600 pages and is willing to submit another 1300 pages under the conditions that Issa will drop the current subpena, (not the investigation) and that would allow Holder to drop this issue and actually focus on other issues confronting the country, i would completely understand it.

    Also, I'm not sure exactly how much documentation you want on this (and I haven't read anywhere that the 1300 pages isn't everything Rev. You'e just assuming that). Assuming that he has turned over that much and is willing to submit another 1300, that equals 8900 pages. I heard conservatives whine for a year that the health care bill was 2000+ pages. Funny how 2000 pages is just insane when it's a democrat bill, but when it's information that conservatives want, 8900 just isn't even close.
    Well ... yeah ! Holder is lying. Holder is the one that must keep the truth secret. He's the one with the documents ...... DUH !

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    That is something I did not know. I was sure that it would have to be voted on bicamerally. Makes sense though because it is a House action.
    Impeachment is both house and senate and by a supermajority, at that, to actually "convict"
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Once again, the way you're coming from it is that one side is absolutely telling the truth and one side is completely lying. It is not fact that Holder said they'd have to close the investigation. He claimed that he offered them the documents under the condition that those documents satisfy the current subpena that was made for documents. They have been investigating this for quite some time now and if it is true that Holder turned over 7600 pages and is willing to submit another 1300 pages under the conditions that Issa will drop the current subpena, (not the investigation) and that would allow Holder to drop this issue and actually focus on other issues confronting the country, i would completely understand it.

    Also, I'm not sure exactly how much documentation you want on this (and I haven't read anywhere that the 1300 pages isn't everything Rev. You'e just assuming that). Assuming that he has turned over that much and is willing to submit another 1300, that equals 8900 pages. I heard conservatives whine for a year that the health care bill was 2000+ pages. Funny how 2000 pages is just insane when it's a democrat bill, but when it's information that conservatives want, 8900 just isn't even close.
    How has the AG's office managed to generate 140,000 documents on Fast and Furious? That is mind boggling.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Well ... yeah ! Holder is lying. Holder is the one that must keep the truth secret. He's the one with the documents ...... DUH !
    Thanks for your opinion. I'm going to stick the my unbiased view though. It's not wise to assume something without the facts.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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