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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    1. You're coming from an angle that assumes Holder is guilty of something. If we look at what we know, it's very hard to draw any conclusions at this point. it really depends on if you believe that Holder is attempting to cooperate or if Issa is telling the truth and Holder is not.

    2. Likelihood of contempt vote rises as Issa, AG Holder fail to reach agreement on documents - The Washington Post

    According to Holder, the justice department has already handed over 7600 pages to Issa and is willing to hand over 1300 more if Issa would agree that those 1300 more pages would satisfy a subpena made by Issa's committee. It makes it seem as though this executive privelage thing is to stop the ridiculous witch hunt that Issa has started. Sounds completely fair to me. It also sounds that if all that is true, that they have been more transparent than any other administration I've heard of.

    3. Issa claims he has received no documents and that Holder said he would hand over the documents if Issa agreed to drop the investigation completely. Sounds like, if all this is true, Issa is completely correct in calling for trying to hold Holder in contempt.

    The real problem stems that we don't know where the truth lies. Could be that one of them is making a bald faced lie, could be that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. What I'm not going to do is assume, as many here have done, and what this entire thread is based off of, that I know exactly what has happened and I was blessed by God with the powers reading minds.
    This is nonsense. A DoJ IG has been on this for over 8 months The second one, as a matter of fact, as switching them allowed more delay. But despite assurances, no interim report has been issued. Nothing. Further, that IG has access to the 80K documents, but they are being witheld from the Committee.

    Congress has every right to be tired of waiting to fulfill its Constitutionally authorized function. There's no lie by Issa. There's no documents provided.

    And now we have an attempt by Obama to block the documents. So easy a caveman could figure it out. Executive Privilege is not invoked out of fear of a "witch hunt". That is absurd .......... but then, that's liberal.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    1. You're coming from an angle that assumes Holder is guilty of something. If we look at what we know, it's very hard to draw any conclusions at this point. it really depends on if you believe that Holder is attempting to cooperate or if Issa is telling the truth and Holder is not.

    2. Likelihood of contempt vote rises as Issa, AG Holder fail to reach agreement on documents - The Washington Post

    According to Holder, the justice department has already handed over 7600 pages to Issa and is willing to hand over 1300 more if Issa would agree that those 1300 more pages would satisfy a subpena made by Issa's committee. It makes it seem as though this executive privelage thing is to stop the ridiculous witch hunt that Issa has started. Sounds completely fair to me. It also sounds that if all that is true, that they have been more transparent than any other administration I've heard of.

    3. Issa claims he has received no documents and that Holder said he would hand over the documents if Issa agreed to drop the investigation completely. Sounds like, if all this is true, Issa is completely correct in calling for trying to hold Holder in contempt.

    The real problem stems that we don't know where the truth lies. Could be that one of them is making a bald faced lie, could be that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. What I'm not going to do is assume, as many here have done, and what this entire thread is based off of, that I know exactly what has happened and I was blessed by God with the powers reading minds.


    So in otherwords, we'll hand over 1300 more, not all of them but 1300 more if you agree to close the investigation.... ****, I'll remember that tactic the next time I fight a speeding ticket in court. /facepalm
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    I'm thinking, if the President actually does come out of hiding on this one and actually writes the letter claiming EP, that he'll choose B (diplomatic reasons). But I'm still not convinced he'll do anything more than delay, delay, delay until after the election. If he can't delay, he'll offer up Holder as the goat.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Anything on the topic or is it just going to be what you can make up about me here? Seriously, the house has approved a contempt of congress charge, do you agree with that or do you want to just hurl insults?
    I will answer when you show me where I insulted you.

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    re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/226]

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
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    Bigger article coming as this just happened.
    i find it amazing how this administration is avoiding the government process to investigate the fast and furious debacle. Given this move, I am curious as to the opinions of others on this matter.
    It's rarely, if ever, good when this sort of thing happens.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    23 yea's 17 Nay's reported to the House for consideration from committee.
    House panel recommends Holder contempt citation - CNN.com

    Prediction: stall out in the Senate.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    23 yea's 17 Nay's reported to the House for consideration from committee.
    House panel recommends Holder contempt citation - CNN.com

    Prediction: stall out in the Senate.
    It doesn't go to the Senate. The house now votes on this and then it's official.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    23 yea's 17 Nay's reported to the House for consideration from committee.
    House panel recommends Holder contempt citation - CNN.com

    Prediction: stall out in the Senate.
    It does not go to the Senate. The Senate has no say in this. The process leads to the appointment of a special attorney, and then possible indictment against Holder. Then a jury trial.

    "If the individual is convicted the statute sets out the mandatory punishment:[a] a fine of up to $1,000 but no more and/or [b] a jail sentence of up to one year, but no more".

    User's Manual to Contempt of Congress - Fox News
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/2

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    23 yea's 17 Nay's reported to the House for consideration from committee.
    House panel recommends Holder contempt citation - CNN.com

    Prediction: stall out in the Senate.
    A straight party-line vote.
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