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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I am a libertarian, and your argument, isn't worthy of a response, sorry.
    Sure it isn't. You just don't like what I said, but that's alright. I expect it from you.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Sure it isn't. You just don't like what I said, but that's alright. I expect it from you.


    I suggest you lay off the insults. anything on the topic? seems like none of you really want to address this new development.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    /facepalm Do we ever hold this administration and this justice department accountable?>
    Evidently, only when it is a democratic administration, according to you!

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Evidently, only when it is a democratic administration, according to you!



    that is quite dishonest of you.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I suggest you lay off the insults. anything on the topic? seems like none of you really want to address this new development.
    What insult? Don't resort to lying to cover your ass.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Hey, why should we even try to stop the guns from walking? It's not like the US has been the source of 68,000 guns that have been discovered in cartel custody or anything. Oh way a minute ... it IS like that.

    ATF: 68,000 guns in Mexico traced to U.S. - The Washington Post
    Nice DISTORTED presentation, as usual. 68K guns out of how many total guns (NOT total "tracable" guns), and over how many years? The trick used with gov't gun stats is that, say Mexico recovers 100 guns, used in crimes ASSUMED to be cartel related in Mexico; out of those 100 guns, 50 are "tracable" i.e. have serial numbers intact, of that 50 then, say 30 are from the U.S.; The headline then reads "60% of Mexican cartel guns traced were from the U.S." rather than reality of 30% of the MAYBE cartel guns found in Mexico were from the U.S. Notice also it says guns MADE IN or imported to the U.S., obviously all guns MADE IN the U.S. were not sold in the U.S., which further inflates the gov't stats. The same article could have had this headline: "Nearly 1/3 of the U.S. guns found in Mexico in 2010 were supplied by Fast & Furious observed buyers". ;-)
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    that is quite dishonest of you.
    Not dishonest, just an observation.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Not dishonest, just an observation.


    Anything on the topic or is it just going to be what you can make up about me here? Seriously, the house has approved a contempt of congress charge, do you agree with that or do you want to just hurl insults?
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Ahh here's one...


    Obama grants Holder request on 'Furious' documents as contempt vote looms | Fox News


    If holder ****ed up, why is this administration protecting him like this? We don't want guns to get in the wrong hands is what we hear from the far left. Mr. Holder, helped put guns into "the wrong hands" and American border patrolman died because of it.


    He should be held accountable, not protected.
    1. You're coming from an angle that assumes Holder is guilty of something. If we look at what we know, it's very hard to draw any conclusions at this point. it really depends on if you believe that Holder is attempting to cooperate or if Issa is telling the truth and Holder is not.

    2. Likelihood of contempt vote rises as Issa, AG Holder fail to reach agreement on documents - The Washington Post

    According to Holder, the justice department has already handed over 7600 pages to Issa and is willing to hand over 1300 more if Issa would agree that those 1300 more pages would satisfy a subpena made by Issa's committee. It makes it seem as though this executive privelage thing is to stop the ridiculous witch hunt that Issa has started. Sounds completely fair to me. It also sounds that if all that is true, that they have been more transparent than any other administration I've heard of.

    3. Issa claims he has received no documents and that Holder said he would hand over the documents if Issa agreed to drop the investigation completely. Sounds like, if all this is true, Issa is completely correct in calling for trying to hold Holder in contempt.

    The real problem stems that we don't know where the truth lies. Could be that one of them is making a bald faced lie, could be that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. What I'm not going to do is assume, as many here have done, and what this entire thread is based off of, that I know exactly what has happened and I was blessed by God with the powers reading minds.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yes, internal, and I don't know where you posted a cite.
    Here's more. By Judge Andrew Napolitano:

    President Obama, Attorney General Holder and executive privilege

    The claim of executive privilege, made by the president to keep testimony or documents from compelled revelation, is not an absolute one. Thus, the claim must state the basis for its invocation. In US v. Nixon (1974), the Supreme Court decision that came just two weeks before, and arguably precipitated, President Nixon’s resignation from the presidency, the Court articulated the only three constitutionally permissible bases for the presidential claim of executive privilege.

    The only bases for the invocation of the privilege are the need to protect secret deliberations and communications intended ultimately for the president that pertain to (a) military, or (b) diplomatic, or (c) sensitive national security matters. Just because two or more people in the White House discussed a matter or reviewed documents does not clothe their discussion or their document review with executive privilege. The conversation or document review must be integral to advising the president on his official duties, and it must fit into one or more of (a) or (b) or (c) above.

    The invocation of the privilege can only be made by the president himself. Thus, President Obama will need to articulate and explain into which category--(a) or (b) or (c) above--his claim of privilege falls, and he will need to do so personally, either in person or in writing. The mere request by the attorney general for the president to invoke the privilege does not lawfully invoke it. As of this writing, the president has not yet done this.


    Read more: President Obama, Attorney General Holder and executive privilege | Fox News
    As indicated, Obama and Holder are full of ****.

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