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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Having skimmed Holder's request, I don't buy the argument that he needs executive privilege. Maintaining the separation of powers does not mean avoiding oversight by withholding information. His claim that the documents request by congress were created after the incident and therefor aren't relevant is not reasonable, as the after action reports are often the most useful.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The argument, of course, is that producing the genormous number of documents that Issa has requested would jeopardize many ongoing Justice Department investigations, and violote executive privilege.

    Did you attack attack Bush and his AG when they asserted executive privilege in connection with the DA scandal?
    Which is PURE nonsense, as ALL the prior released documents were redacted. The what and who (outside of DOJ and WH) of fast & fuzzy is NOT important, and can easily be redacted, it is the WHY that can not be allowed to come out, and WHY can not be redacted based on "national security" needs.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The argument, of course, is that producing the genormous number of documents that Issa has requested would jeopardize many ongoing Justice Department investigations, and violote executive privilege.

    Did you attack attack Bush and his AG when they asserted executive privilege in connection with the DA scandal?
    So if it was done in the past it is ok to do it today? Did you protest and complain when Bush used excecutive privilege?
    No wonder WO never changes. It facinates me that the old line of well "they did it" as a defense for a questionalbe act today.

    More to the point I thought Obama was going to have his administration more transparent and open. Seems that was just another promise to get votes. Could documents be released with other investigation info blacked out? What is the security clearance of the panel members?

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Oh, Barack....way to be transparent. Turns out you're pretty much interchangeable with the rest of 'em. Time for new leadership.


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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You seem to deal only in jibber jabber. You want to claim that the last time something like this happened was under Nixon ... is he president? No, the last time it happened -- TWICE -- was under Bush. Once it involved the AG scandal and the other time it involved the Valerie Plame scandal. Were those both admissions that of Bush's involvement? Obviously not, as the executive privilege extends to members of the executive branch -- not just the president himself.

    This isn't exactly a new thing. The privilege was first asserted by George Washington.


    Again with the jibber jabber, what you posted has nothing to do with the topic, but jibber jabber to deflect off the current issue, cause it involves your guy. Why?
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    So if it was done in the past it is ok to do it today? Did you protest and complain when Bush used excecutive privilege?
    No wonder WO never changes. It facinates me that the old line of well "they did it" as a defense for a questionalbe act today.

    More to the point I thought Obama was going to have his administration more transparent and open. Seems that was just another promise to get votes. Could documents be released with other investigation info blacked out? What is the security clearance of the panel members?

    It's funny, because you know he whined about stuff ad nauseum with bush, so he in attempting to out me as a hypocrite, has proven he is the hypocrite he seeks.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Again with the jibber jabber, what you posted has nothing to do with the topic, but jibber jabber to deflect off the current issue, cause it involves your guy. Why?
    If just saying so made it so, you would have an excellent point. Otherwise ... not so much.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    If just saying so made it so, you would have an excellent point. Otherwise ... not so much.


    Still avoiding the uncomfortable topic, I see.


    Why would the president invoke privledge here? Holder stated a few months ago if he spoke to the president about FandF, Holder said "no", that means either holder is lying, or the white house is lying. either way Executive privledge seems inappropriate here on numerous levels.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Oh, Barack....way to be transparent. Turns out you're pretty much interchangeable with the rest of 'em. Time for new leadership.
    Agreed.

    We may not learn all the facts for years, but what if Fast and Furious really was intended to lay the groundwork for gun control initiatives?

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Let's also add, Obama himself said he was unaware nor involved in fast and furious...

    I wonder if holder will get the roger clemen's treatment....
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