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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    As has been pointed out, Bush invoked EP on Valerie Plame and Scooter Libby. He escaped articles of impeachment, so Obama can probably escape that.
    Couple of things, and please ladies and gents, this is about Obama/Holder/Gunrunning. Scooter Libby got busted on a process crime, perjury, he didn't have anything to do with the Plame leak, that was Richard Armitage. Plame's covert status was suspect, from what I understand she was a desk agent and thus not protected under the statute in question.

    Now, Armitage/Libby/Bush/Cheney/Gonzales have nothing to do with the operation in question. They tried a gunrunning operation with more accountability that they canceled due to loss of effective control. Holder and the feds half-assed a new version for suspect reasons and it failed both predictably and miserably. Had there been any kind of cooperation on the matter this would probably be a quarter of the issue it is currently, as it stands this is a major cluster**** and should it go further has the possibility to become an impeachable offense with potential criminal charges.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Would you be as upset if we sold them pea shooters? I think not .It was guns and they are the problem. There are too many guns here and if we had gun control criminals would not come here to buy them. Isn't that what you are in such a tizzy about? Criminals buying guns and killing people with them? It happens every day in America, but only this incident bothers you?
    Bull. If the NRA had purchased the guns using an FFLIII license it wouldn't be a problem, these guns were sold to CRIMINALS, to be assumed for use in CRIMINAL acts, which for anyone else would be an aiding and abetting charge.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Deflect, deflect, deflect, will you ever be discussing this case, and the invokement of the executive privledge or is it "but but the last guy did it too" an excuse enough for you? How many died under wide reciever, and when did "gunwalking" start?
    LOL

    So the rule is that you can talk about other presidents and operations but I can't.

    What is there to say about F&F? It was a botched operation. The guy who was in charge has resigned. Life goes on and there are much more important things to worry about. This is a political witch hunt.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    LOL

    So the rule is that you can talk about other presidents and operations but I can't.

    What is there to say about F&F? It was a botched operation. The guy who was in charge has resigned. Life goes on and there are much more important things to worry about. This is a political witch hunt.


    So, trying to find out what happened, and give closure to the border agent is a "witch hunt" to you? I'm sorry, 200 dead, 2000 guns unaccounted for and a dead border patrol agent. Now hiding documents, and claiming executive privledge for something he suposedly had no knowledge of is a "witch hunt"?

    I'm sorry, I disagree, as I bet the family of the dead officer would probably. It's amazing how you excuse criminal activity because it's "your guy" here.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Wow, they just stepped in it up to their knees! By invoking EP Obama is virtually admitting he had something to do with the operation. I mean, really, the buck stopped at Holder before and it was a reach to get to Obama. But not now. He could very well see articles of impeachment on this one.
    What? These inept, congressional morons could not even get that lowly weasel, Greely, the GSA million dollar, party animal; he just blew them off, took the fifth, never came back to finish playing "congressional hearing" and quietly reitired (enjoying a nice six-figure, annual gov't retirement, for life). Congress does not scare Obama, he actually loves the talking points being turned away from the economy. Obama WANTS to have congress look mean and nutty, that makes him look cool, calm and presidential, by comparison. Yes he did!
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    I would love to offer an opinion, however, I will be the first to admit that all I know about the affair is no more than any of you guys know.

    I bet I'm the only person on this thread honest enough to admit that.

    Don't ever let me be the one who stops anyone here from shooting off their mouth about things they actually know little or nothing about. That would make for a very dull forum.

    But, that being said, don't ever take me as one who is gullible enough to swallow their bull****. I already know they don't know their butt from a hole in the ground.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I would love to offer an opinion, however, I will be the first to admit that all I know about the affair is no more than any of you guys know.

    I bet I'm the only person on this thread honest enough to admit that.

    Don't ever let me be the one who stops anyone here from shooting off their mouth about things they actually know little or nothing about. That would make for a very dull forum.

    But, that being said, don't ever take me as one who is gullible enough to swallow their bull****. I already know they don't know their butt from a hole in the ground.


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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So, trying to find out what happened, and give closure to the border agent is a "witch hunt" to you? I'm sorry, 200 dead, 2000 guns unaccounted for and a dead border patrol agent. Now hiding documents, and claiming executive privledge for something he suposedly had no knowledge of is a "witch hunt"?

    I'm sorry, I disagree, as I bet the family of the dead officer would probably. It's amazing how you excuse criminal activity because it's "your guy" here.
    I never have excused it. It's amazing how you will twist absolutely anything to try and make Obama look bad.

    As far as what happened -- we know what happened. Engaging in a pathetic political fishing expedition isn't going to bring the agent back to life. If it was my relative I'd be furious that the right is trying to use his death to score political points. Disgusting.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I would love to offer an opinion, however, I will be the first to admit that all I know about the affair is no more than any of you guys know.

    I bet I'm the only person on this thread honest enough to admit that.

    Don't ever let me be the one who stops anyone here from shooting off their mouth about things they actually know little or nothing about. That would make for a very dull forum.

    But, that being said, don't ever take me as one who is gullible enough to swallow their bull****. I already know they don't know their butt from a hole in the ground.
    None of us know about the majority of stuff talked about on these forums. Which I am sure includes some of your 10K+ posts.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I never have excused it. It's amazing how you will twist absolutely anything to try and make Obama look bad.

    As far as what happened -- we know what happened. Engaging in a pathetic political fishing expedition isn't going to bring the agent back to life. If it was my relative I'd be furious that the right is trying to use his death to score political points. Disgusting.

    So you claim you don't excuse it, then you call it a "fishing expedition", if that's not "Excusing it" what is it then?


    And as for the family of the dead border patrol agent, they disagree with your feigned outrage.


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