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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    What total bull ****! I guess if these guns had not been used, the criminals would have just done without, right? I mean, without these particular guns, they would not have had access to any others.
    If someone borrows my gun and tells me it's for an armed robbery then kills a clerk at the nearest convenience store I'll be sure to use that in court. "But your honor, if he hadn't used MY gun he would have just used another one, so I shouldn't be charged with accessory". You know how well that logic would work in court? Not very.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Akston View Post
    If you think that American's won't care about a botched federal program that resulted in the death of a federal officer that is being covered up by this President, you are gravely mistaken. This speaks to Obama's character. Remember, this was going to be the most transparent administration ever.
    I hate to break it to you, but when most people hear Fast and Furious what they think about is a bad Vin Diesel movie.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So by that argument, I should be able to sell my guns to gang members with criminal records, because they would have had access to guns anyway.... right?
    It now has the Obama supporter seal of approval, new business model now I guess.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Not indicated. Most importantly, Bush was not challenged further. Had he been, as Nixon had, then we might have found out.

    Point is, your example was irrelevent. No one is questioning that communications between a President, and/or his staff, (or Clinton and his Staff, as with the Bush case you noted) are privileged. They usually are privileged. But internal DoJ documents about the conduct of the DoJ and other agencies are not.
    All executive branch communications are potentially priveleged -- that's just the way it is.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Right and now that we all agree that it is the GUNS that are the problem
    No part of anything said here backs this assertion, but your assertion is one of the reasons people are concerned about this illegal federal action, because it was possibly a ploy to attack people's rights. Ends justify the means I guess, no matter how many innocents die and how many laws get broken, as long as we get gun control right?
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Akston View Post
    This will hurt Obama in the election, big time. The video in post 95 will be played over and over again and he'll have a tough time explaining his way out of this one. He is covering up for Holder who has already proven to be inept at his job. With his numbers already falling, this might just hand the presidency over to Romney.
    I don't think it will hurt him much. By the time of the election, the right-wing nuts will be attacking Obama over other irrelevant stuff. This is actually not much of a story at all. I imagine Rush will come up with other Bull **** within a couple of weeks.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    derailing. why can't you discuss this operation that led to the death of 200 people, 2000 guns lost, and 1 border patrolman dead, and how the administration who claims had no knowledge of the incident, is now invoking "Executive privledge"?
    Wow, they just stepped in it up to their knees! By invoking EP Obama is virtually admitting he had something to do with the operation. I mean, really, the buck stopped at Holder before and it was a reach to get to Obama. But not now. He could very well see articles of impeachment on this one.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    I don't think it will hurt him much. By the time of the election, the right-wing nuts will be attacking Obama over other irrelevant stuff. This is actually not much of a story at all. I imagine Rush will come up with other Bull **** within a couple of weeks.
    This isn't meaningless BS.

    The best thing that could happen to Obama is for Rush to come up with something that is to distract people from this.


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    So you are OK with this government supplying guns for the cartels to use?

    It certainly sounds like you say if they didn't have these guns they would have had others so it is OK.
    I never said it was OK, I just realize the fact that where the guns came from did not change the outcome.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Wow, they just stepped in it up to their knees! By invoking EP Obama is virtually admitting he had something to do with the operation. I mean, really, the buck stopped at Holder before and it was a reach to get to Obama. But not now. He could very well see articles of impeachment on this one.
    As has been pointed out, Bush invoked EP on Valerie Plame and Scooter Libby. He escaped articles of impeachment, so Obama can probably escape that.


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