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Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/226]

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Yeah, I'm sure the Mexicans would appreciate Holder turning over all kinds of documents containing sensitive intelligence about the cartels and gun runners.

Holder has sensitive intelligence about the drug cartels? Do you know that or are you just making it up?

Was this intelligence behind his deciding they should have more weapons, that they may be running short?
 
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But it can, and likely will, be stalled until after the election, then Obama and Holder can toss out some mid-level DOJ scapegoat that will take the "fall" for making "an error in judgement", and all will be forgotten.

I agree, that's what they're going for. But this may end up being a bit more of a stink then they can handle while trying to get re-elected. If they can't minimize the issue enough before the election, Holder may very well end up being the goat.
 
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Indeed it was a screw up, over 200 dead and no tough gun control got called for. Oh well, Obama still gets to look presidential and the press is no longer looking at the economy. Obama is VERY good at campaigning, just not so good at governing. Now congress looks stupid, so they will get all mad and mean, making Obama look cool, calm and presidential by comparison. Yes he did!

200 until they stopped counting and trying to trace the weapons.

Many more people died and have died since that can be traced. 200 is a very low number.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

WHO authorized fast & fuzzy and WHY.
1. That is irrelevant unless your claim is that Fast and Furious was illegal. Is that your claim?

Why did about 2,000 guns, their serial numbers carefully logged by federal agents, get sold to KNOWN cartel straw buyers
That was the intent of the program, so "why?" in this case is a pointless question.

and then suddenly "disappear", with NO arrests or recovery of the weapons?
Read all about it. There are even pictures of recovered weapons :doh:

Tuesday, January 25, 2011 -- Federal authorities announced charges today against 34 Arizonans accused of buying about 700 guns in gun stores in the state on behalf of Mexico's Sinaloa drug cartel.

Borderland Beat: Feds charge 34 Arizonans for trafficking weapons to Sinaloa cartel

Alternate link: 34 face gunrunning charges in Arizona - Washington Times

May I suggest a more comprehensive source of information that what your post is apparently based upon?
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Shielding the president from "political damage" is not a sufficient reason to claim Executive Priviledge. [...]
That would be correct, assuming that is the only reason it was claimed. Do you have any evidence that is the case?
 
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Exactly so whatever gun control there was, he lifted, so please explain to me how gun control would have prevented this from happening, when the government lifts the rules.

They did not "lift the rules", they ordered ILLEGALLY that the current law be ignored, so that they could let KNOWN drug cartel straw buyers flood the area with thousands of TRACEABLE U.S. bought weapons, hoping for headlines like "Mexican cartels execute hundreds using legally purchased U.S. firearms" and then get very strict gun control laws passed since even most, hard core, gun toting, rednecks hate the Mexican drug cartel thugs. ;-)
 
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Just think if Bush was the President and exerted this type of executive privilege to cover up a crime. I can just see what CNN and MSNBC would be saying. CNN is busy sugar coating Obama's latest executive action as we speak.

Obviously you are not familiar with the issue that was started by Bush. And, apparently MSNBC and CNN didn't say much or you would be quoting them.

Another conservative who thinks it was okay for Bush to use Executive Action, but not Obama. Still holding Obama to a stricter code? Why am I not surprised?
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1060611210 said:
Evidence Holder is hiding from Congress with the help of the POTUS.
Evidence of what?

Or if that question is not clear,

What kind of evidence? What crime will this purported evidence prove?
 
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My question is this: Does the AG have the right to ignore a subpoena?
Obviously it would depend upon the subpoena. If the subpoena were illegal, or beyond the scope of Congress' authority, then certainly.

Congress -- unless sitting in some type of special session, such as impeachment -- is not a court of law, nor a judge. I would imagine that their subpoena's are subject to judicial review in a real court of law.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

That would be correct, assuming that is the only reason it was claimed. Do you have any evidence that is the case?

That's the WHOLE POINT, simply to keep the evidence from getting out. No evidence, no problem. No brain, no headache.
 
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[...] These morons in the DOJ were finally about to have to spill the beans, so king Obama had to call a time-out. [...]
Can you describe these beans? Are they magic beans?

Also, how do you know that the DOJ was about to spill them? Link? Psychic network? Radio transmission from Mars?
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

They did not "lift the rules", they ordered ILLEGALLY that the current law be ignored, so that they could let KNOWN drug cartel straw buyers flood the area with thousands of TRACEABLE U.S. bought weapons, hoping for headlines like "Mexican cartels execute hundreds using legally purchased U.S. firearms" and then get very strict gun control laws passed since even most, hard core, gun toting, rednecks hate the Mexican drug cartel thugs. ;-)
The conspiracy theory forum is a few floors down.
 
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Obviously it would depend upon the subpoena. If the subpoena were illegal, or beyond the scope of Congress' authority, then certainly.

Congress -- unless sitting in some type of special session, such as impeachment -- is not a court of law, nor a judge. I would imagine that their subpoena's are subject to judicial review in a real court of law.

He doesn't have the right to ignore the subpoena. If he deems it illegal, then it goes to the courts. Holder has forced the hand of Congress, and contempt charges will be charged and the matter decided.
 
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That's the WHOLE POINT, simply to keep the evidence from getting out. No evidence, no problem. No brain, no headache.
Evidence of what? What crime do you think has been committed?
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Obviously it would depend upon the subpoena. If the subpoena were illegal, or beyond the scope of Congress' authority, then certainly.

Congress -- unless sitting in some type of special session, such as impeachment -- is not a court of law, nor a judge. I would imagine that their subpoena's are subject to judicial review in a real court of law.

Exactly. That's why Holder/DOJ pretended to go along with the congressional investigation, for over a year, when it became clear that was not working well, they switched to plan Z, have Obama invoke EP, to force a "special prosecutor" and a lenghty "court ordered" delay to push this fast & fuzzy mess until well beyond the 2012 elections. After that, they just cave and toss out a scapegoat to "own up" to "making an error in judgement" and then retire, just like Greely did in the GSA million dollar party mess. Yes he can!
 
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They did not "lift the rules", they ordered ILLEGALLY that the current law be ignored, so that they could let KNOWN drug cartel straw buyers flood the area with thousands of TRACEABLE U.S. bought weapons, hoping for headlines like "Mexican cartels execute hundreds using legally purchased U.S. firearms" and then get very strict gun control laws passed since even most, hard core, gun toting, rednecks hate the Mexican drug cartel thugs. ;-)

That is symantice. It had the same end result.
 
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Evidence of what? What crime do you think has been committed?

WHO authorized fast & fuzzy and WHY. Why did about 2,000 guns, their serial numbers carefully logged by federal agents, get sold to KNOWN cartel straw buyers and then suddenly "disappear", with NO arrests or recovery of the weapons? "Whoopsie", just won't cut it any more. Hmm...
 
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Evidence of what? What crime do you think has been committed?

He's already talked about that, and asking for evidence? Silly considering we won't know if there's actual evidence until all the docs are released. Btw, why withhold them in the first place? If there are a lot of them, so what? Release them to congress and let them chew on them. If they contain sensitive information, should have just said that from the beginning and released all the ones that didn't.
 
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Evidence of what?

Or if that question is not clear,

What kind of evidence? What crime will this purported evidence prove?

You do not know that hundreds of people were killed as a result of this F & F program?

Isn't it wise to see how and why this happened and who is responsible for the deaths of all these people?
 
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Can you describe these beans? Are they magic beans?

Also, how do you know that the DOJ was about to spill them? Link? Psychic network? Radio transmission from Mars?

Please, do you honestly beleive that over 2,000 guns, their serial numbers all carefully logged, all of a sudden just "walked" without any arrests or recovery of the guns? Maybe 50 in a single botched delivery, but not over 2,000 guns, sold over several months, from multiple sales locations and in multiple states, that is WAY beyond the realm of an "accident", "error in judgement" or "mistake" .
 
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He doesn't have the right to ignore the subpoena. If he deems it illegal, then it goes to the courts.
Oooh, sorry, wrong answer.

Under [Eastland v. United States Servicemen's Fund], Courts generally do not hear motions to quash Congressional subpoenas; even when executive branch officials refuse to comply, the Courts tend to rule that such matters are "political questions" unsuitable for judicial remedy.

Contempt of Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

He's already talked about that, and asking for evidence? Silly considering we won't know if there's actual evidence until all the docs are released. [...]
I see. You won't know if there's any evidence until you get all the evidence. And I suppose you wont know what crime has been committed until you get all the evidence.

Of course there is always the crime of not producing all the evidence. Even if there isn't any. It's all so clear now . . . . .
 
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You do not know that hundreds of people were killed as a result of this F & F program?
No, I don't know that. What is your ... ahem ... evidence?
 
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No, I don't know that. What is your ... ahem ... evidence?

If you don't even know that, why are you on this thread?

Do you know, for example, that a border guard was killed with one of these weapons?
 
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Please, do you honestly beleive that over 2,000 guns, their serial numbers all carefully logged, all of a sudden just "walked" without any arrests or recovery of the guns? Maybe 50 in a single botched delivery, but not over 2,000 guns, sold over several months, from multiple sales locations and in multiple states, that is WAY beyond the realm of an "accident", "error in judgement" or "mistake" .
Your argument makes no sense to me. Arrests and recoveries have already been proven (with photos even). You seem to be the only one talking about "accident", "error in judgement" or "mistake". Therefore I will leave you to argue with yourself. Have a nice day :)
 
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