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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

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    Sure they do.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    again.. Iraq was about oil for food, sanctions being broken, and illegal oil transfers post 9/11 for tereror funding.. and and your hero Clinton was bombing daily.. again this is not the subject so please stay on subject
    Yeah, for sure there was no mention of mobile weapons labs, uranium, or mushroom clouds.

    If you're going to revise history you should stick to older history.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I don't know but a good start would be a confession from you "lunatics" that GW Bush needlessly caused the deaths of 4000+ Americans in a botched search for WMD's in Iraq.
    Translation - Blah blah blah blah blah blah hey everyone look what Bush done 10 years ago blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah Bush blah Bush blah Bush blah I hate Bush so stop saying bad things about Obama blah blah blah.

    Seriously what does the Iraq war have to do with Fast & Furious?

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    That is incorrect. The privelege can be asserted over virtually any executive branch communication.
    Didn't say otherwise. Except that the precedent through the years has been WH communications, to and from. Not internal DoJ.

    What Obama has done here clearly goes beyond precedent, and beyond what has been outlined by SCOTUS in the past.

    Some from Wikipedia:


    Nixon:
    The Supreme Court did not reject the claim of privilege out of hand; it noted, in fact, "the valid need for protection of communications between high Government officials and those who advise and assist them in the performance of their manifold duties" and that "[h]uman experience teaches that those who expect public dissemination of their remarks may well temper candor with a concern for appearances and for their own interests to the detriment of the decisionmaking process." This is very similar to the logic that the Court had used in establishing an "executive immunity" defense for high office-holders charged with violating citizens' constitutional rights in the course of performing their duties. The Supreme Court stated: "To read the Article II powers of the President as providing an absolute privilege as against a subpoena essential to enforcement of criminal statutes on no more than a generalized claim of the public interest in confidentiality of nonmilitary and nondiplomatic discussions would upset the constitutional balance of 'a workable government' and gravely impair the role of the courts under Article III." Because Nixon had asserted only a generalized need for confidentiality, the Court held that the larger public interest in obtaining the truth in the context of a criminal prosecution took precedence.
    and with Bush the 2nd:
    Bush invoked executive privilege "in substance" in refusing to disclose the details of Vice President Dick Cheney's meetings with energy executives, which was not appealed by the GAO. In a separate Supreme Court decision in 2004, however, Justice Anthony Kennedy noted "Executive privilege is an extraordinary assertion of power 'not to be lightly invoked.' United States v. Reynolds, 345 U.S. 1, 7 (1953).

    "Once executive privilege is asserted, coequal branches of the Government are set on a collision course. The Judiciary is forced into the difficult task of balancing the need for information in a judicial proceeding and the Executive’s Article II prerogatives. This inquiry places courts in the awkward position of evaluating the Executive’s claims of confidentiality and autonomy, and pushes to the fore difficult questions of separation of powers and checks and balances. These 'occasion[s] for constitutional confrontation between the two branches' are likely to be avoided whenever possible. United States v. Nixon, supra, at 692."[9]

    Further, on June 28, 2007, Bush invoked executive privilege in response to congressional subpoenas requesting documents from former presidential counsel Harriet Miers and former political director Sara Taylor,[10] citing that:


    The reason for these distinctions rests upon a bedrock presidential prerogative: for the President to perform his constitutional duties, it is imperative that he receive candid and unfettered advice and that free and open discussions and deliberations occur among his advisors and between those advisors and others within and outside the Executive Branch.
    There is no precedent for a President to extend EP this far. Its not there.

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    Translation - Blah blah blah blah blah blah hey everyone look what Bush done 10 years ago blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah Bush blah Bush blah Bush blah I hate Bush so stop saying bad things about Obama blah blah blah.

    Seriously what does the Iraq war have to do with Fast & Furious?
    Kinda makes one wonder who brought Iraq into the thread eH?....WAIT THAT WAS YOU.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Didn't say otherwise. Except that the precedent through the years has been WH communications, to and from. Not internal DoJ.
    As I pointed out above, Bush specifically asserted the privelege with respect to internal DOJ communications.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by treedancer View Post
    Kinda makes one wonder who brought Iraq into the thread eH?....WAIT THAT WAS YOU.
    I challenge you to find one quote from me that changed the thread topic from F&F to Iraq... oh wait you can't because you were lying like ALL LIBERALS do.

    Just like you lied when you stated that F&F started under Bush.

    Why do ALL LIBERALS lie all the time about everything. Are they just compulsive liars? Do they know they're lying while the're always lying or are they just in denile. Seriously why can't Liberals be honest?

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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Don't you want to find out what happened that led our government to send 2000 guns to criminals in mexico, who killed 200 people and a border patrol agent, or is protecting Obama more important to you?


    so much for Obama's "transparency" promise...
    Exactly. Having a liberal moron like Obama, that will do ANYTHING, up to and including aiding in the deaths of innocents, to "prove" that U.S. firearm sales laws are too lax, in charge is the priority. The purpose of fast & fuzzy was to record the serial numbers of THOUSANDS of weapons sold in the U.S., that could later be used to "prove" that our nation's gun laws are too "lax", allowing the ready supply of weapons to the Mexican drug cartels.

    The documentaion NOT being released by DOJ would prove this "lax law" nonsense to be false, and would show that the licensed federal firearm dealers and state, local and even other federal law enforcement officers were aware of, and could have easily stopped, these ILLEGAL straw purchases, yet that would have hampered the REAL goal of fast & fuzzy, which was enacting MUCH tighter controls on U.S. firearm sales.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Well, you know I agree with you, Rev. This was all a botched plan to make it look like these guns came from the US, and to be a pretext for gun confiscations here in the US. What a shame, their little plan backfired. Now, they are playing the cover up game. Nothing like Executive Privilege to facilitate the cover up and break down the Constitution even farther. It is obvious this President has violated his oath to the Constitution. Impeach him.
    Until you have actual evidence of this, it is nothing but a conspiracy theory.


    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So Obama was first handed involved in fast and furious? Last case like this, was nixon and the watergate tapes, and we all know how the supreme court ruled then.


    If the president was involved, then Obama has a week argument for executive privilege (holder already said he didn't know about it), if Obama wasn't involved then there is no executive privilege....


    Begs the question, WTF does Obama not want us to see?






    I don't deal in jibber jabber. Bush isn't the president, nor the subject of this thread. Please for once try not to deflect to the president from almost 4 years ago, in order to give a pass to the one you like.

    Concerning the bolded, there is a lot of things the government does not want us to see. For example, just recently the CIA released documents from its 9/11 file that "are heavily blacked out and offer little new information about what the U.S. knew about the al-Qaida plot before 2001." (CIA releases declassified documents from 9/11 file | Nation & World | The Seattle Times) In addition to this, the documents "directly contradict the many claims of Bush officials that it was aggressively pursuing al-Qaida prior to 9/11, and that nobody could have predicted the attacks." (New NSA docs contradict 9/11 claims - Salon.com)

    Another example is the Gulf of Tonkin incident, in which the US government stated that there had been two attacks on US vessels by the North Vietnamese and thus was used as an excuse to involve the US in Vietnam. It has since come to light that the second attack never occurred. (The Truth About Tonkin | U.S. Naval Institute)

    Thus, if there is any information that Obama is trying not to have leaked, it very well may be quite damning of his administration. One must also factor in that this is an election year, so Obama may want to take extra precaution. Please note, I am not saying that Obama is hiding anything, just saying that is he hypothetically is, it may be quite damning information.
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    Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    I challenge you to find one quote from me that changed the thread topic from F&F to Iraq... oh wait you can't because you were lying like ALL LIBERALS do.

    Just like you lied when you stated that F&F started under Bush.

    Why do ALL LIBERALS lie all the time about everything. Are they just compulsive liars? Do they know they're lying while the're always lying or are they just in denile. Seriously why can't Liberals be honest?
    what post was it that i said that "F&F started under Bush "?
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