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    Re: Marco Rubio says he would come to the U.S. illegally if he had to

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Boy, some people just love to talk to hear themselves talk, don't matter if they don't know what they are talking about. Obama has deported more illegals than any other president, even the cherished Bush....
    yes, I know this.

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    Re: Marco Rubio says he would come to the U.S. illegally if he had to

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Morons see draconian government action as the solution to every problem. In this case, of course, we need to patrol the border, but it makes no sense to shut it down completely as a precondition to liberalizing immigration laws. It's like saying, "before we raise the speed limit to 65, we need to arrest every single person who breaks the 55mph limit." Totally illogical.
    Your analogy is kind of silly, which is a shame, as this is one area we have fundamental agreement.

    Rubio is far more pragmatic and honest on this subject than the overwhelming majority of politicians. And he is taking political risk. If I might add, not unlike Paul Ryan on the budget. These are the guys that truly reach across aisles, and find those willing to reach back.

    Sowell is correct though, in that any comprehensive solution starts with a secure border. We call that "stop the bleeding", and it works with far more than Immigration.

    I applaud Rubio. Bigtime.

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    Re: Marco Rubio says he would come to the U.S. illegally if he had to

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That being said, what does Marco Rubio say about an employer that would BREAK THE LAW to hire an illegal alien, paying them less than the "customary" and prevailing wages, offering them NO other benefits and being quite assured that no complaints could be made about the working conditions? It is STILL a very good deal when compared to what the illegal alien left, yet not nearly the good deal that it COULD be, without the ILLEGAL alien's VOLUNTARY presense.

    That same job would still be there, but would be filled ONLY if the pay and benefits OFFERED were attractive enough to get a citizen or LEGAL guest worker to take that job. A LEGAL guest worker CAN insist on decent pay and safe/sanitary working conditions, BEFORE relocating their family. Why should Marco Rubio get "first dibs" on a U.S. job because he (and his familiy) cuts the line? How is that fair to OUR citizens OR to his fellow countrymen who sign up for LEGAL work in the U.S.?

    The law of the jungle is not "fair" as it always favors might over right. The fact that people live in very corrupt counties under poor conditions does NOT necessarily make them "head of line" candidates for U.S. immigration policy; it would be interesting to hear his "justification" for getting/giving an immigration advantage to those that simply ignore immigration law; are we to assume that these same ILLEGAL folks will not ignore many other U.S. laws as well, if it is simply deemed in their best self interest to do so?.
    I think the point was that a MAN (or woman) will do what they need to do for their family to survive.

    When you live in a country where the vast majority of the wealth is concentrated in VERY few hands, that doesn't leave much for everybody else. We as a country do VERY LITTLE to pressure Mexico to address its patently unfair "divvy-up". On 7he ccontrary, American maquiladoras profit greatly from the desperation Mexicos economic disparity engenders.

    Crossing an imaginary line to a place where one can make enough to live and send enough home to support ones family isn't a big "moral" hurdle for someone who is starving.

    It says more about the system of imaginary lines than it does about the character of the individuals who cross them..
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    Re: Marco Rubio says he would come to the U.S. illegally if he had to

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    Rubio should be deported for treason. Immigration has become an unarmed invasion of our country, enabled by the incompetent business class, which can only make the money it is addicted to by cheating its workers. Since the pre-owned government is betraying the people, it is time for us to take the law back into our own hands. If they can't stop illegals, they can't stop vigilantes either. Some day the anti-American crowd will be hanged if they keep pushing these unwanted foreigners on us.
    'Ya know, there IS a group that refers to immigrants as an invasion:

    Funny how everybody believes that the Klan only hates Blacks and Jews. What they are saying now about Mexican immigrants, they once said about Irish and German immigrants too. They lost those wars, as they will also lose this one. Hatred comes with a price.
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    Re: Marco Rubio says he would come to the U.S. illegally if he had to

    ...well no duh. Of course he'd come to this country illegally if he had to. Every single one of you would come to this country illegally if you had to.

    Far too many armchair experts out there.
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    Re: Marco Rubio says he would come to the U.S. illegally if he had to

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I think the point was that a MAN (or woman) will do what they need to do for their family to survive.

    When you live in a country where the vast majority of the wealth is concentrated in VERY few hands, that doesn't leave much for everybody else. We as a country do VERY LITTLE to pressure Mexico to address its patently unfair "divvy-up". On 7he ccontrary, American maquiladoras profit greatly from the desperation Mexicos economic disparity engenders.

    Crossing an imaginary line to a place where one can make enough to live and send enough home to support ones family isn't a big "moral" hurdle for someone who is starving.

    It says more about the system of imaginary lines than it does about the character of the individuals who cross them..
    I like most of your post, but you have made a mis-statement of fundamentals. Wealth is not zero sum. It is not "concentrated". It exists where it is created. And it can be created anywhere, by anyone. Rubio knows this. And if you would rethink it, you might agree.
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    Re: Marco Rubio says he would come to the U.S. illegally if he had to

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    ...well no duh. Of course he'd come to this country illegally if he had to. Every single one of you would come to this country illegally if you had to.

    Far too many armchair experts out there.
    Nice to see another Conservative who, like Rubio, gets it. And will say it.
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    Re: Marco Rubio says he would come to the U.S. illegally if he had to

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Ya' know, I like this guy. His honesty is refreshing. And I'll tell you something else. If Rubio were running at the top of the GOP ticket instead of Romney, I would give him a serious look. And he is right about common decency in dealing with immigrants. There is far too little of that right now, and we need more "Rubio" in America's political dialogue.

    Article is here.
    I don't know why anyone would have a problem with what he said. Hell, if I wasn't born here and knew the potential that anyone has here, I'd do whatever was needed to get here too. I'd think a good number of people would say the same if they were honest with themselves.

    Of course what he said has nothing to do with controlling illegal immigration, which is, I'd imagine, the direction any that don't like what he said would take. But that is an approach full of fallacy.
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    Re: Marco Rubio says he would come to the U.S. illegally if he had to

    Actually isn't this just politics? Obama early a few days ago talking about amnesty for illegal Mexicans. Reports then flow that the hispanic vote is certain to go to Obama.


    And then days later Rubio from the Republican Party comes out and says.....

    Nah, am just certain it is a coincidence.

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    Re: Marco Rubio says he would come to the U.S. illegally if he had to

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I think the point was that a MAN (or woman) will do what they need to do for their family to survive.

    When you live in a country where the vast majority of the wealth is concentrated in VERY few hands, that doesn't leave much for everybody else. We as a country do VERY LITTLE to pressure Mexico to address its patently unfair "divvy-up". On 7he ccontrary, American maquiladoras profit greatly from the desperation Mexicos economic disparity engenders.

    ..
    Actually, since Mexico has the highest rate of obesity in the world, followed by us at a close second, I'd say that the Mexicans are surviving.
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