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    Re: Marco Rubio says he would come to the U.S. illegally if he had to

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    The problem is with illegal immigrants, not legal ones. I understand how he feels about the issue, and I can't say that I would feel different, if I were a Mexican, but immigration laws need to be enforced, otherwise illegal immigration will continue to grow as a problem.
    Exactly. Its GREAT for Mexicans, Canadians and Cubans. It is far harder to sell that "logic" to those in Africa, South America, Europe or Asia. How would Marco Rubio feel if I hired him and paid him "only what I could spare at the time", noting that I could have him and his family deported if he did not come back to work for me next week?
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    Re: Marco Rubio says he would come to the U.S. illegally if he had to

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    The problem is with illegal immigrants, not legal ones. I understand how he feels about the issue, and I can't say that I would feel different, if I were a Mexican, but immigration laws need to be enforced, otherwise illegal immigration will continue to grow as a problem.
    Thomas Sowell says:

    Ultimately, it does not matter what immigration policy this country has, if it cannot control its own borders. Whoever wants to come, and who has the chutzpah, will come. And the fact that they come across the Mexican border does not mean that they are all Mexicans. They can just as easily be terrorists from the Middle East.

    Only after the border is controlled can any immigration policy matter be seriously considered, and options weighed through the normal Constitutional process of Congressional hearings, debate and legislation, rather than by Presidential short-cuts.

    Not only is border control fundamental, what is also fundamental is the principle that immigration policy does not exist to accommodate foreigners but to protect Americans -- and the American culture that has made this the world's richest, freest and most powerful nation for more than a century.

    No nation can absorb unlimited numbers of people from another culture without jeopardizing its own culture. In the 19th and early 20th century, America could absorb millions of immigrants who came here to become Americans. But the situation is entirely different today, when group separatism, resentment and polarization are being promoted by both the education system and politicians.

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    Re: Marco Rubio says he would come to the U.S. illegally if he had to

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Thomas Sowell says:

    Ultimately, it does not matter what immigration policy this country has, if it cannot control its own borders. Whoever wants to come, and who has the chutzpah, will come.
    He should have stopped there. That was Rubio's point. You can't stop people from coming if the motivation if is high ... unless you're willing to become East Germany.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Marco Rubio says he would come to the U.S. illegally if he had to

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    He should have stopped there. That was Rubio's point. You can't stop people from coming if the motivation if is high ... unless you're willing to become East Germany.
    The Berlin Wall was built to keep people in, not out.
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    Re: Marco Rubio says he would come to the U.S. illegally if he had to

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    The Berlin Wall was built to keep people in, not out.
    True, but the same principle applies.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Marco Rubio says he would come to the U.S. illegally if he had to

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    True, but the same principle applies.
    The principles are opposite. One is to keep people from escaping, the other is to keep people from entering. The method would be the same, but not the underlying principle.
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    Re: Marco Rubio says he would come to the U.S. illegally if he had to

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    He should have stopped there. That was Rubio's point. You can't stop people from coming if the motivation if is high ... unless you're willing to become East Germany.
    WRONG. You can arrest them, confiscate ALL of their personal property and deport them. I am sick and tired of a U.S. citizen selling marijuana "on the side" getting a harsher sentence than an illegal immigrant popping out kids to be educated by the taxpayers, then getting welfare since the kids are then instant U.S. citizens by birth. You can't stop shoplifting, selling street drugs, grazing in the grocery store, breaking into cars/hoimes or income tax cheating either, if the motivation is high, but we somehow insist on at least trying. The NONSENSE attitude that some laws or OK to break, so just live with it, NEVER seems to be applied when it is YOU that must bear the cost. People also do not stop and think; if that illegal broke the immigration law, why would they not feel entitled to take my lawn mower, bicycle or gas can too? All is fine if some anonymous slob working in the construction trades gets their pay cut or is replaced by an illegal willing to work for less, but if YOU were given the same "deal" then it would somehow not be seen as fair. You don't see your kids sharing a classroom with non-english speaking folks, slowing the whole class down, or being forced to pay more taxes to supply an extra ESL teacher for them. Are your "emergency" PSA announcemnts on TV now more than twice as long and being repeated in Spanish? It is all wonderful as long as it is not YOU being negatively impacted, wait until one of these fine folks crashes their uninsured car into your house or business and they get that stiff sentence of "go home".
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    Re: Marco Rubio says he would come to the U.S. illegally if he had to

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    The principles are opposite. One is to keep people from escaping, the other is to keep people from entering. The method would be the same, but not the underlying principle.
    The principle I'm talking about is severe government action.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Marco Rubio says he would come to the U.S. illegally if he had to

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The principle I'm talking about is severe government action.
    Nothing wrong with severe action for a severe problem. The fact is we can't pay for them. They have a drastic impact wages, working conditions, unemployment rate, education. They are a strain to all social resources.

    You can't get the country to agree to tax the rich more to pay for what we got. And what they contribute in tax is not even going to come close to covering it.

    Bring all the troops home, put them on the border.
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    Re: Marco Rubio says he would come to the U.S. illegally if he had to

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    True, but the same principle applies.
    What? Lets get rid of prisons too then, let freedom reign! Morons see no harm in having SOME laws, to protect them, but hey, if it is only the job that you did not want, that is now taken (or had the wages/benefits lowered) by an illegal alien it is a good thing, since it saves you money and makes you feel that you are helping to save the third world too. You are mighty generous with the quality of lives other than your own. Lets cut the minimum wage to that of Mexico, just to be fair; that is what the effect of illegal labor is, on many folks in the trades but, since you are not one of them, all is good.
    Last edited by ttwtt78640; 06-19-12 at 01:38 PM.
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