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    Re: Occupy Wall Street movement has hit a wall

    Good, OWS is gone and the Tea Party is gone. Now that we've gotten over the initial emotional overreaction of a recession, now we can get to work getting out of it.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street movement has hit a wall

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street movement has hit a wall

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Good, OWS is gone and the Tea Party is gone. Now that we've gotten over the initial emotional overreaction of a recession, now we can get to work getting out of it.

    TALLY HOOOOooooooo......!
    Don't be so quick. The Tea Party is more visible and influential than the OWS. Furthermore, those tendencies never vanish, it is just the organizations that may slow down. Further still, "getting over the initial emotional overreaction of a recession," does not mean that we have 1) actually "emotionally gotten over it" 2) Will then know how to proceed.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street movement has hit a wall

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Don't be so quick. The Tea Party is more visible and influential than the OWS. Furthermore, those tendencies never vanish, it is just the organizations that may slow down. Further still, "getting over the initial emotional overreaction of a recession," does not mean that we have 1) actually "emotionally gotten over it" 2) Will then know how to proceed.
    Yeah, but they are bogging down the GOP. They won't last long under the Republican tent. Populism and all of it's awful consequences always flourish right after an economic downturn, and it usually fades after some time and recovery. I didn't mean that both would vanish by next month, but both examples of extreme idiocy have had their 15 minutes, accomplished nothing and will soon be gone.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street movement has hit a wall

    To me, OWS's lack of impact is not a surprise. First, the movement is far from representative of the "99%" it purports to represent. Its base is far narrower. Second, the narrow-based movement may not represent the broad priorities of Americans in general. Hence, it confronts barriers to growth. Third, it still lacks a clearly articulated, significant, and realistic agenda of change. Nebulous rhetoric and "catch-all" complaints do not constitute concrete and attainable policy goals and recommendations.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street movement has hit a wall

    Most of these OWS loons have no CLUE as to what they want to accomplish other than income redistribution in some "fuzzy" sense. Some want a "living wage", some want "free college" but most simply "want". I have seen NONE offer a coherent message or support any particular candidate or platform.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street movement has hit a wall

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Yeah, but they are bogging down the GOP. They won't last long under the Republican tent. Populism and all of it's awful consequences always flourish right after an economic downturn, and it usually fades after some time and recovery. I didn't mean that both would vanish by next month, but both examples of extreme idiocy have had their 15 minutes, accomplished nothing and will soon be gone.
    Winning 63 House seats in the 2010 election constitutes "bogging down" the GOP, which appears on-target to win control of the Senate this year?
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street movement has hit a wall

    Could you please post a link that works.

    And how is this news?

    The title is editorial.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street movement has hit a wall

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Third, it still lacks a clearly articulated, significant, and realistic agenda of change. Nebulous rhetoric and "catch-all" complaints do not constitute concrete and attainable policy goals and recommendations.
    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Most of these OWS loons have no CLUE as to what they want to accomplish other than income redistribution in some "fuzzy" sense. Some want a "living wage", some want "free college" but most simply "want". I have seen NONE offer a coherent message or support any particular candidate or platform.
    Both of those statements are untrue. OWS had a very coherent message and a real agenda. That you and others think they didn't is why I blame the media for distorting the movement. Remember all this nonsense?

    They-don't-know-why-they're-protesting.jpg

    That's what happened with OWS. No one listened to their message. Read the signs in the cartoon. They're pretty accurate to why OWS wanted. Do you really mean to tell me that you don't see the coherent agenda in them? If you haven't heard their message, it's because you were purposefully not listening, and because the media was purposefully unwilling to let them be heard.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street movement has hit a wall

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    OWS had a very coherent message and a real agenda.
    I'm not disputing that OWS has a message and agenda. I'm stating that its agenda was not clearly articulated or realistic, because there was no focus on concrete and attainable policy goals and recommendations.

    To expand on my point, I'll reference some of the "principles of solidarity" cited on OWS's website.

    One such principle is "Empowering one another against all forms of oppression." How does the group define "oppression?" What concrete policy ideas does the group propose to combat "oppression." What substantive efforts does the group intend to make to increase prospects for enactment of those policy solutions? What other methods does the group seek to pursue to "empower" itself? Details are not available. No list of policy solutions is proposed.

    Another principle is "Redefining how labor is valued." This is a direct challenge to the prevailing mixed market approach that leverages supply and demand for labor and regulations such as the minimum wage, working conditions protections, etc. How does OWS seek to "redefine" the valuation of labor? If it rejects market factors such as supply and demand, what does it propose as an alternative? How would that alternative work? What evidence does it have that such an alternative would be feasible? How would the alternative be implemented? Again one is dealing with little more than rhetoric. The substance is lacking.

    In the end, a set of slogans is not a substitute for missing concreteness. The movement lacks the substance necessary to play a meaningful role in the public discourse. Its complaints have been heard, but it has nothing--at least to date--to offer beyond those complaints.

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