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Brotherhood's Morsi Claims Victory in Egypt Election

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Islamists say win Egypt presidency; rival contests | Reuters

The Muslim Brotherhood is claiming victory with 52%. SCAF and Shafik contest. No official results yet. This comes amidst another scramble to retain power by the Scaf by limiting the powers of the presidency and by temporarily taking over the legislative powers originally delegated to the elected Islamist parliament which was dissolved by the Supreme Council a few days ago.

What a mess.
 
Islamists say win Egypt presidency; rival contests | Reuters

The Muslim Brotherhood is claiming victory with 52%. SCAF and Shafik contest. No official results yet. This comes amidst another scramble to retain power by the Scaf by limiting the powers of the presidency and by temporarily taking over the legislative powers originally delegated to the elected Islamist parliament which was dissolved by the Supreme Council a few days ago.

What a mess.

How is this a mess? In the grand scope of things this is an independent candidate who doesn't have the backing of the Egyptian military. He's the US equivalent of a sitting duck.
 
Islamists say win Egypt presidency; rival contests | Reuters

The Muslim Brotherhood is claiming victory with 52%. SCAF and Shafik contest. No official results yet. This comes amidst another scramble to retain power by the Scaf by limiting the powers of the presidency and by temporarily taking over the legislative powers originally delegated to the elected Islamist parliament which was dissolved by the Supreme Council a few days ago.

What a mess.



Damn free elections!!!! ;)
 
I feel for those over in Europe. They had a choice between the guy who was part of the government they tossed out on its ass....or the muslim brotherhood.

Where's the vote for Mickey Mouse when you need it.
 
Let the beheading begin!
 
Islamists say win Egypt presidency; rival contests | Reuters

The Muslim Brotherhood is claiming victory with 52%. SCAF and Shafik contest. No official results yet. This comes amidst another scramble to retain power by the Scaf by limiting the powers of the presidency and by temporarily taking over the legislative powers originally delegated to the elected Islamist parliament which was dissolved by the Supreme Council a few days ago.

What a mess.

Egypt will be a dictatorship under its military and will have and has had US support in this matter. We don't want freedom and democracy and liberty and justice. We, the USA, want the military in charge, just like Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala, etc. We seem to be an evil Corporatocracy masquerading as Freedom Fighters. I don't remember voting on that. Do your various medias say this? If they don't, they are the "Mighty Wurlitzer" playing the favorite tune.
 
The funny thing is that the Muslim Brotherhood in this instance represents the progressive alternative to military dictatorship.
 
Egypt will be a dictatorship under its military and will have and has had US support in this matter. We don't want freedom and democracy and liberty and justice. We, the USA, want the military in charge, just like Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala, etc. We seem to be an evil Corporatocracy masquerading as Freedom Fighters. I don't remember voting on that. Do your various medias say this? If they don't, they are the "Mighty Wurlitzer" playing the favorite tune.

....another person caught up in the BS. If America was against freedom and democracy, why didn't it rush to support Mubarak or Gaddafi? Why would America dare go through the trouble of a democracy in Iraq or Afghanistan when a handy dandy dictator would have been easier?

Like it or not, our idiot government, along with its idiot citizens, have finally started to realize that the Cold War ended two decades ago. Propping up Western friendly dictators to oppose Soviet friendly dictators is a thing of the past. It has been for a long time, though people pretend the year is 1975 every year. President Obama did America's image no favors by pretending that America didn't have a role during this Arab Spring. In regards to Libya, France looked more American than America despite France's public announcement to protect Tunisia's dictator one month prior.

Fact: Over 120 democracies have been created since 1900.

Fact: With the America winning it's 250 year conflict against the soul sucking isms (socialism, fascism, communism), it announced democracy as the victor. Those who believed that man should be governed from below defeated those who believed that man should be governed from above.

Islamists winning in Egypt is not enough of a problem that we need to take a step backwards. It was inevitible. The Muslim Brotherhood, along with everybody else in the MENA have learned in the past ten years that violence is not the way to power anymore. The way to power is through the choice of the people. They will also learn that if they want to remain in power and continuing economic security with the West that they will have to give in to what the people want, which is greater education, social justice, and economic opportunity. If they fail they will either be replaced by those who will or they will prove to the world and their fellow Arab that they are nothing more than what they used to be. Either way, radical extremist organizations are going to be on the decline. No why? Because extremist organizations cannot survive in an environment where people have social justice, political expression, and choice. Ever wonder why Al-Queda can simply change host nations? Could this happen in the West?

The Muslim Brotherhood will work with the Egyptian military and both will benefit from America to keep the peace and move forward. Our country's military relationship with the Egyptian military is why Mubarak was removed without mass slaughter. Don't be so quick to dismiss the Egyptian military as some sort of coup frenzied dominator. The Turkish military constantly overthrow and reboot the Turkish government whenever they start going down the wrong Islamist radical path. The Egyptian people need their military to be strong for them until their representatives do the right by them.

Or we can look at it like this: France elected Napoleon, who rampaged across Europe and northern Africa, and it took them seventy years to get democracy right. Germany elected Hitler, who rampaged across Europe and sucked in the world, and they needed help assisting democratic recovery. What is it about the 21st century Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt that has people worried already? Surely, Arab Muslims can have just a few years to get it right beofre the West screams failure and disaster. In the fall of 2003, Iraqis voted on the laws that would govern them. This was also the first time in history Arab Muslims had ever done this. Give it time.
 
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Just goes to show that Arabs support the Islamists more than some folks want to admit.

It kills the argument that Muslims aren't terrorists and supports the argument that most Muslims support anti-western terrorism.
 
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Just goes to show that Arabs support the Islamists more than some folks want to admit.

It kills the argument that Muslims aren't terrorists and supports the argument that most Muslims support anti-western terrorism.

You concluded all that about Muslims (a group encompassing a billion people the world over) from an election in Egypt?
 
You concluded all that about Muslims (a group encompassing a billion people the world over) from an election in Egypt?

Sure. All the evidence points in that direction. In every Mid-Eastern country that has had a revolution in recent years, the government's were replaced with anti-western regimes.
 
Sure. All the evidence points in that direction. In every Mid-Eastern country that has had a revolution in recent years, the government's were replaced with anti-western regimes.

Barack Obama: 'Egypt's transition to democracy is beginning'

Barack Obama has said the resignation of President Hosni Mubarak reflected the will of the Egyptian people and called on the country's powerful military to ensure a transition to "genuine democracy."

11:18AM GMT 12 Feb 2011

Obama spoke after Mubarak handed over to the Egyptian military after an 18-day popular uprising, with Washington now facing deep uncertainty and huge challenges in dealing with a potentially volatile power shift.

"The people of Egypt have spoken," Obama told reporters. "Egyptians have made it clear that nothing less than genuine democracy will carry the day."

He acknowledged that this was not the end, but just the beginning of Egypt's transition to democracy, saying, "There will be many difficult days ahead and many questions remain unanswered."

Video: Barack Obama: 'Egypt's transition to democracy is beginning' - Telegraph

I think he's got his answer, Theocracy NOT Democracy!
 
It's like being the skinniest kid at fat camp.

Not really. Your ignorant view is just too simplistic and misleading to understand the reality of the situation. Middle eastern politics is apparently too complicated for you to understand.
 
It kills the argument that Muslims aren't terrorists and supports the argument that most Muslims support anti-western terrorism.

So you take the slim marginal victory of a guy from an extremist group over a guy from the government that the people just ousted to be an inidication that Muslims are terrorists strong enough to "kill" the notion they're not.

I'm sorry to say that if one actually believes that then they never thought the argument wasn't "killed" to begin with and is simply reaching to justify their own, factually wrong, world view.
 
I think he's got his answer, Theocracy NOT Democracy!

Actually, no, Obama is for letting the people of Egypt decide what they want, while you would rather support military dictatorships.
 
Actually, no, Obama is for letting the people of Egypt decide what they want, while you would rather support military dictatorships.

So you would support a Theocracy that abuses women, human and gay rights?
 
So you would support a Theocracy that abuses women, human and gay rights?

I would support a countries right to democratically elect its own leader.

If said leader takes the country in a direction that is counter to US interests then I support withdrawing aid and support for that country.

What I don't support, and will never support, is the belief that the United States should forcefully overrule through might and power a countries democratic process simply because we don't like the results of it.
 
It smells like the USA will soon be paying both sides to "make nice" as we seem prone to do in all disputes in the middle east. ;-)
 
So you take the slim marginal victory of a guy from an extremist group over a guy from the government that the people just ousted to be an inidication that Muslims are terrorists strong enough to "kill" the notion they're not.

I'm sorry to say that if one actually believes that then they never thought the argument wasn't "killed" to begin with and is simply reaching to justify their own, factually wrong, world view.

Was there any seperation of the Nazis and the German people? No, there wasn't.

Same scenario here. Political correctness isn't going to change that reality.
 
I would support a countries right to democratically elect its own leader.

If said leader takes the country in a direction that is counter to US interests then I support withdrawing aid and support for that country.

What I don't support, and will never support, is the belief that the United States should forcefully overrule through might and power a countries democratic process simply because we don't like the results of it.

We didn't do that during the 30's, either. Why repeat history?
 
Was there any seperation of the Nazis and the German people? No, there wasn't.

Absolutely there was. Most Nazi's were German. Not every German was a Nazi. Indeed, there was a non-nazi German who helped assist in stopping the war.

Same scenario here.

Only in bizarro world when you rewrite history to fit your desire and need to hate all things islam.

Political correctness isn't changing reality...your warped views are what's attempting to change reality.
 
I do not really understand what the US is suppose to do in this situation. We can hope for the best, which seems to have not happened, that the Muslim Brotherhood does not gain too much power. Reality speaks differently and the race was pretty close between them and some one who was in the old regime. Not really a win-win scenario for the people of Egypt. But now, do we try and overthrow a country who elected their leader? That probably will not go over to well and will help fuel the idea that any person elected that the West does not like we will do something about it. Right now I think the most we can do is make sure that elections are held when they are suppose to be.
 
I would support a countries right to democratically elect its own leader.

If said leader takes the country in a direction that is counter to US interests then I support withdrawing aid and support for that country.

What I don't support, and will never support, is the belief that the United States should forcefully overrule through might and power a countries democratic process simply because we don't like the results of it.

I do agree with you. Then again I'm a partial isolationist. if they want to kill each other, more power to ya. Just don't involve us.
 
Absolutely there was. Most Nazi's were German. Not every German was a Nazi. Indeed, there was a non-nazi German who helped assist in stopping the war.

No, there wasn't.



Only in bizarro world when you rewrite history to fit your desire and need to hate all things islam.

Political correctness isn't changing reality...your warped views are what's attempting to change reality.

How did I re-write history?
 
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